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I blame EVERYBODY involved (except the innocent victims) and religion in general (budhism aside).But of course i do blame especially america as well.How do you liked the recent bombing of another hospital in afghanistan?And what happened after that with the people responsible for this?Nothing.Again.Do you really wonder about those terrorists reactions if the"western democracies" still treat the people down there as animals?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/10/05/afghan-forces-requested-airstrike-that-hit-hospital-in-kunduz/
@Crabman and @Tritonman
I am blaming the doctrines of Islam for the terrorist acts it's followers are doing even when the West isn't even in the picture.
Western intervention is a separate topic in my opinion because you can not always make that correlation. On the other hand you can always make the correlation between the terrorist act and the scriptures like Quran and Hadith and they are letting us know as they're doing it. And when someone in the western world points this out he or she is called a bigot or even a racist.
Btw I'm not saying the West is perfect.
Time for Earth 2.0!.... without any humans! Life can be great but the world is so sick and such things will happen more and more. War is one of the biggest market too for all those first world countries.
In reality i trust no human....even not myself. I never understand religions of any kind (beside the things where the nature in itself is the main focus),
Someone could think why an intelligent lifeforms kills another because of things which are written in old books or why some always need to be above others etc.
Sadly it will never end. Even the last 2 humans on a lonley island would start a war someday.
I hope future generations when we have to left this planet start to change that.
So i really hope we are not the only "intelligent" lifeform in the universe!
The masters of war are very pleased with themselves today.
You made some valid points of course.
Someday - love and hate, will hold no meaning, we will all be one, until that day, let us try not harden our hearts.
Maybe.... let´s hope! But emotions are also in reality just biochemical reactions. We are animals but we kill eachother for fun, tribe, religion, money....etc. Of course there is also a lot good things going on in the world too. It would be sad if not.
But as we all know the negative things weight more mostly.
Sure we will evolve in some ways.......
Most of us already have.
I can already visualise the extreme right sharpening their knives,
If anyone takes the relatively small amount of time actually to look into the roots of where these Islamic extremist attacks come from, by looking into both history and the Muslim holy books, then yes they will find that Jihad won't end until Muslims turn away from parts of Islam.
It is horribly naive to think otherwise.
It's also important to note that some Muslims do turn away from those parts of Islam.
What will come of it? Who knows, but I do not see any type of Islamic reform taking place. For that to happen there would need to be a central and unified form of Islam, which there pretty much never has been save for it's years of infancy, and even if there were a unified Islam there would likely be at least a few small factions who broke off and formed something else.
Look into it yourself if you don't believe me. It's actually fairly interesting, because it does involve history, belief, and current events that are intimately connected to those two things.
@1P18
I think I agree with all that.
I'm quite sceptical about the reform as well to be honest. There are some brave eloquent Muslim reformists voices appearing in the media, writing books and stuff, not sure how effective that is but the reform however unrealistic I don't know what's the alternative. For starters lets stop fooling each other with statements like "it has nothing to do with Islam" after every beheading or massacre done in the name of Allah. It has a lot to do with Islam. And yes, by all means, let's add the 'not all Muslims' caveat just in case the people are a lynch mob in waiting.
Deleted - this 'discussion' is going nowhere.
There are other appropriate actions as well, but I especially like this one.
in 1765 French philosopher Voltaire wrote: “Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.”*
Less than 2%???? Is he talking in the whole history of mankind and only in the UK? Or do you actually believe that in 2015 worldwide Muslims are committing less than 2% of all terrorist acts?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2015
It is a shame that your intentions for this thread were not respected, sadly it has been hijacked and no longer resembles the message of concern for those french members of this forum as was intended. I do not think it is okay to use this forum to repeatedly push a thinly veiled hatred of any religion or any other personal choice for that matter here on the Audiobus "MUSIC" forum, I request that the Admins delete this whole thread.
Wow. Thank you for proving my 'beyond Orwellian' point yet again. All I wrote was based in facts and came from a deep concern. As the evil stares us right in the eyes you choose to use do what? Go online and score some social justice points? light a candle? make a prayer? bury your head in the sand? People need to wake the fuck up. Your mindset is regressive and it's not helping.
I am not going to argue with you because I believe you are unstable, but there is a whole world of people who would love to read your intellectual thoughts so why not take it outside this forum.
@banjofran Instead of providing some data that contradicts anything I said here, or have an open minded discussion about it, you chose to first paint me as someone who's pushing hatred and then calling me unstable. Bravo to you, you little social justice warrior.
You are a real piece of shit, if that is all you have to say on the subject and have the nerve to come here again and try to shut down a debate like you tried in another thread talking about surface and iPad pro. Remember?
Go fuck your self.
As far as Islam goes, it is a fucked up religion, based on hatred and intolerance and sole purpose of it is to conquer the world and impose it self as the only religion.
Do I want my kids live in that shit? Fuck no!
Politicians don't have the guts to say it for fear of not being re elected. They live in their secure remote world. If you say anything you are considered a racist.
It is a dangerous religion .
If you don't know it, google Wafa Sultan see what normal people have to say about it.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wafa+sultan
And then you have a nerve to call someone "unstable "?
Sorry, I disagree, I think it's called IGNORANCE
This banjofran retard poses as a highly emotional and sensitive person but in reality he's a hysterical paranoiac with his head up his asshole.
No wonder everything smells roses for him.lol
Poverty is the source of evil in this world.
Yeah, that's what I thought. And thanks btw. Thanks for not being a coward.
Yes, inevitable.
http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/11/the-first-of-the-storm-translation-of-islamic-state-statement-after-paris-attacks/
Read that and then try to tell yourself again that it has nothing to do with Islam.
These fucking barbarian mentioning the Crusades again, as if that's a valid moral comparison to Jihad. The Crusades were in defence of the Jihad that was raping, killing and enslaving the Middle East and Europe centuries before the Crusades. And centuries after. And still today. But this is going to work on the ones with the regressive mindset because instead of doing some fact checking these fools are going to take the shortcut to feeling as thou they're standing on a higher moral ground by calling anyone who points this out an islamophobe a racist or a bigot.
Let's have a vote, who thinks this global problem will be solved on the Audiobus forum.
I certainly don't think that.
But a thread where you just give your condolences without mentioning what caused it for fear of offending someone is just as hollow a gesture as all those people holding up pencils in the air while the media refused to show the cartoons for which the cartoonists were murdered at the beginning of this year. Fuck that.
The internet is certainly not lacking in places to read this same argument in its thousand variations, I like this forum cuz it usually doesn't descend to that level of futility.