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Casio CZ half price
just sayin', I held out this long ...
CZ App for iPad by CASIO COMPUTER CO., LTD.
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What's the general consensus on this one?
It can receive 4 MIDI channels for 4 different synth presets at once, so there's that.
I don't have the app but to me, the Cazio PD system never had the richness and bite of normal subtractive synthesis.
I like it. It sounds like the real thing. So if you like the casio sound it's worth it.
CZ can sound awesome once you get the hang of programming. It's not as difficult as some think. When I had a hardware setup I always had a CZ, usually a 101.
That's interesting....how are the sounds in comparison to other synthesizers?
Great synth, rubbish presets. If you don't want to program it, do not bother.
Program sounds. Use outboard FX and watch the sounds cut through a mix. Really works well as a counterpoint to more analog sounds.
I still have my CZ101 ... It is 4 part multi timbral... 4 x mono synths in one !!
Bit thin sounding if truth be told !
How much is the app ? Only got access to iPhone at the moment and its iPad only apparently !!
9.99 U.S. $
I'd really like to hear how those who own/owned an original CZ rate this app. I've been putting off buying the CZ-5000 in my local listings (due to saving space/money for other things), and I've skipped the app because it looks like it still has unresolved bugs, but for $10 it might just be worth it.
Smells like a legacy nostalgia buy...
Love my 1000 but this I don't think loads any of the CZ series patches, if it did I most certainly would have got it. CZ are a sound like no other not even Yamaha's DX FM synths, but that said it's probably a sound you'll either love or hate, Nyms Phase Synth is based also on PD I think.
You could say the same of the iMS20. A cheap alternative for those who might have wanted the hardware. It replicates the sounds well. So it's worth it if you're in that camp.
CZ1000 / CZ101 ... Cheap option at the time and this is a fun nostalgia trip! The 8 stage envelopes were innovative ... and Phase Distortion was really a more approachable form of FM thus the 'coldness' ...
I really loved the FZ-1 16 bit sampler ... 30 secs memory ... On board graphic waveform editing, looping, built in additivebsine wave synth. I thought it was great and beat the pants off the Akai's... but it was a Casio ... if only they had integrated their watches as retmote controllers! Lol
Hope they recreate that synth too!
Agree entirely. I personally have no warm-memories of the Casio so it does little for me, but for others, why not? Personally (a data set of one
) the 10 bucks is the new five bucks is the reason I won't buy this. As mentioned in other discussions 10 bucks for what it is is little enough, but for me (and probably plenty others) it would be a geegaw casual purchase which, again for me, probably stops these days at somewhere this side of 4.99. Just the parabola of buying decisions which all devs have to second guess...
ouch !
Loved my FZ-1 too, remember how heavy the beast was?! Crazy weight
Just bought CZ & agree hi nostalgic appeal
Come on people.. we have been spoiled with app pricing via a race to the bottom resulting in a game/productivity ecosystem reliant on ad supported apps bulilt by talented hobbyists And pros who at least stand a chamce of recouping a reward... barely.
in the case of music apps the niche is microscopic ... The nature of the apps is that ads will never be welcome, desigh and performance standards are excruciatingly high, ( we want to play these things... not play with these things...and developers must maintain their creatiions over iOS evolutions for no recompense. Like its their duty... we expect out 'tools' to keep working dont we?
The facts are that with prices below $20 a developer with no compnay selling otger products ( making the app a loss leader ) wil eventually have to give up suppprt when the thrill or a release wears off and their day jobs and real lives become too demanding.
This isnt a theory it's a factal observation based on quite a few relatipnships ive fostered over the years with developers.
Anyone who has the resources to purchase an iPad or iPhone of any vintage and who claims $5- $10 is a financial burden is just full-of -it.. $10 for a fully featured synth ? OK Casio are in the loss-leader category, but trust me as a person recently laid off ... these days every until has to pay their own way, or go away.
So i expect and want serious Apps to start costing $20- $50. Maybe $100 for a big DAW or flagship component. Sure ill think more before buying, ill buy less, and ill expect those fewer apps i do buy to provide better support and proactive development. This will make our music app environment all the better.
So if there are Cheap bargains out there enjoy them ... but never mount the argument $5 or $ 10 is too cost prohibitive. Talk about a first world problem...
you know it just occured to me that the pain expressed might be because like me, you already paid 'full price' and the special offends?
if so i unreservedly appologise ... in your direction. Sorry.
Don't sweat it though... It's a great CZ at the original price. I've got the original 1000 in the basement and that's where it's going to stay!
Just come off a reading reviews for an amazing new app where people,just seem to think they should get it for free or $10! It's not sustainable.... that way. Got me all riled up!
Toast.
I paid $50 for Lemur. I certainly haven't gotten out of it what I paid into it (completely obtuse when it comes to following the manual and trying to make your own templates IMHO, although it has helped with programming a few of my old synths so not a total loss either), but I'm not crying about the fact that it's now half that at regular price, and even less for you lucky SOBs who have managed to get it at discount. It just is what it is. I think this app would probably be priced a bit better if it was $15 instead of $20 normally, but still...$10 is not an obscene amount of money to spend on an IOS synth.
Where they missed the boat on this app is the lame assortment of presets. They could have included all presets from all CZ models and I think it would have been better received. IMHO
Yes, it is lacking in presets, but it is easy to program. Maybe I should offer some presets.
I wouldn't know how though. I've only made about 5 so far... Maybe someone with more experience ...
Too bad I only have an iPad Mini 2. I would've bought it at the sale price. But not if the Mini 2 is gonna choke,
Why would the mini 2 choke? I'm using a mini 2. No problems here. Mini 1 might be a different story though...
The decription states that it requires an iPad Mini 3. But thanks for letting me know it works on the Mini 2 with no problems.
Anyone running this app with iOS 9? I'm concerned about that since it hasn't been updated and some reviews have reported stability issues in iOS 8.
I have a cz101. I never play it, sorry! I've tried to get into it, because phase distortion synthesis is such an interesting idea, but there's something about the sounds that haven't clicked. Agree with the post above that you'll either love it or hate it. It's very clean and simple sounding.
I do recommend it to anyone curious about the CZ line of synthesizers, or phase distortion, over buying a hardware unit. It's great you can give something like that a try cheaply. It is muchmuch easier to program the 8 (!) step envelopes on the iPad, it is time consuming on the hardware unit using the buttons, step by step.
It sounds similar to the hardware, but, it is a lo-fi audio engine, you can hear aliasing artifacts on any of the trebly sounds (try messing with the pitch bend slowly, you'll hear it). I get crashes loading my saved sounds, anyone else? The multiplayer with a buddy is very cute. Also cool with the 4 multi play setup, though the 3 extra keyboards just play a saved preset, you can only edit the first one. You could get it going with midiSteps, 4 tracks > 4 CZ's! The percussion is kind of cool. The added effects , reverb and chorus, help give a little depth to the very dry, simple sounds.
you can get interesting sounds from it with enough fiddling, not just cheesy trumpets and accordions. To me it seems like in depth synthesists, curious about history of 80's keys would get the most out of it. For someone casually looking for retro sounds of that era, I'd probably recommend FM4 instead. One of my hopes for the CZ 101, and the app, was that it would be the key to the Casiotone sound, of all the classic toy keyboards, the tonebank, the SK1, etc. but the CZ sound is different, and seems unrelated sonically.
Mni 3 uses the same chipset and processor as the Mini 2. There should be no difference in performance. You're good to go, if you want it.