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7 months and all we get is a replacement for WIST?
Maybe I'm just becoming a grumpy old man but it's been 7 months since the last big update to Korg Gadget and the only thing they've added is a replacement for WIST???
Sure Ableton LINK is cool but it's not even something Korg developed themselves, they just implemented it.
Where are the audio tracks they promised at launch almost 2 years ago? Why no new Gadgets, effects or features?
I've supported them since they launched Gadget. Purchased every IAP. I still love the app, but it's time they delivered on their initial promises about "... perfecting the system as a mobile music production studio ..." (Their own words).
Maybe it's just me? Maybe I should just make some more music?
Anyway, thanks for listening :-)
Feel free to add your own comments on the matter.
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Buying IAPs is not 'supporting' the developer. You actually get something for your money.
And calling Ableton Link a replacement for WIST is like calling a 3D Printer a replacement for a tin of Play-Doh.
Yes, you should make more music. I'm certain Korg is interested in making Gadget better and better. Some things just take a lot of time.
Korg keep Gadget up to date and it is pretty reliable in iOS terms. That gets them big brownie points in my book
I think it was a wise move on Korg's part to go with LINK as it seems a lot more functional and widespread than sticking to WIST just because Korg created it.
I think it's great they are on board on day one!
They actually have 3 big products this year, the iM1, iDS-10 and iElectribe iPhone.
I think u need to stop whining and:
Truly see if you have used gadget to its present maximum potential, because i do hear a lot of world class music coming from dedicated users of this app who are grateful for what it does have and dont complain about what it doesnt have
Switch to recording gadget into auria pro, which has midi and audio
It seems to me that some always find something lacking in ios..i am certain the right combo of apps can do everything and anything anyone needs for any kind of music production
Korg are busy busy and a very big company , im sure they will update over time, but we cannot control that. Such a waste of energy trying to demand from those we have no influence over isnt it..channel that energy to become more determined in your production..can we hear examples of your tracks?
Regardless of any misding features, gadget remains the best standalone by a long shot..im certaibly grateful for it and its saved me a lot of money...
I personally think the way they implementen LINK is pushing Gadget towards a dimension not everybody is able to grasp already. You essentially just got your ableton Live extension on IOS now.
Plug in your iPad to your Macbook. Boot Ableton Live, create an Audio Track and set the inputs to the ipad. Check everything is on the same network. Of you go.
I love this.
Agreed, as a developer you know how time consuming it is
I love gadget and I use it every day to make music with, but the original poster's point is entirely valid.
How hard would it have been to add per track eq, compression and (say), basic delays ? It's not as if it's a new app.
@touchconspiracy ,
Hehe, Gadget with Cream Mobile! I can think of the lovely! Your favorites coming....
Yes..but let's see how Kirnu have built this
I'm suspecting that it will be good and can add to gadget by exporting 2 bars to bilbao..
Can't see it as a standalone coz there's only drum loops and we don't yet know if those can be interchangeable
Also..from the screenshots.. I cannot see reverb at all on the synthesis
Any day now we will find out..
@Kaikoo said:
I just spent the better part of a week doing mostly-small home improvements that I've been meaning to get to for years. Some of them stretch back 8 years! The bulk of the things I did each took less than an hour. Thing is, it's not like I was sitting on the beach for 8 years wondering what to do next—there's only so many hours in a day and for quite a long time other things were more important.
That is to say, even if it is easy to add per track eq and comp (of course, you and I have absolutely no idea the relative ease/difficulty of doing this) that doesn't mean there aren't 87 other things to do that take priority over those on a any given day.
I agree it's an awesome app, I guess I'm just disappointed about the almost 2 years of waiting for the promise of audio tracks. I know I can record into Auria (which I don't have) or Cubasis (which I have) but I don't understand why KORG would make such a promise (which is STILL listed on the Gadget product page http://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_gadget_for_ipad/ ) and not deliver after such a long time.
I know there's plenty of potential in Gadget and it's great to hear LINK is awesome - I'll stop my whining and get back to having fun with this awesome app :-)
OK, so I just read some more about LINK - if Cubasis implement LINK then I guess I could just use that for audio tracks without even needing to record Gadget into it, using AB to start / stop.
I agree, that sounds pretty cool
For what it's worth, I totally agree. Either take it out of the description and offer a mea-culpa-it-aint-coming or, after two years, deliver on it.
I never feel that I 'subscribe' to apps expecting more features. If it fails to deliver what it initially promises (due to bugs etc) than yah, I may be chuffed, get a refund etc. As for Gadget as long as it continues to run on new OSes and pipes into a DAW I am more than happy with it as is. Feature additions are bonus to me and any promises of future features have no bearing on whether or not I get an app. The world changes fast and so do plans.
Sure EQ and more robust FX would be great but what would be even better is a whole new app engineered from the ground up that learns from Gadget and every other development on iOS to date. Maybe the folks clever enough to make Gadget are clever enough to be working on that...? I don't need to know one way or the other but I would be surprised if it wasn't the case.
For me I can't see how audio tracks would fit with the current way that a song is put together anyway , there is no full timeline as you have the repeat options for scenes and individual control over the number of bars and repeats. How would a timeline based track fit into this ?
Disagree, while I don't know what the other '87' things are. The things I mentioned would improve Gadget immensely and would bring it into line with pretty much most serious DAWs. (iOS or otherwise)
No, it's not.
If these features were not intended in the initial version of an app, it can take a year or more. But that was not what the initial poster asked for. Audio tracks would require being able to manage and edit them. That can easily take a year or more to develop, if it's done right.
Definitely more than 7 months. Easy. Please understand that software development is hard and doing it right even more so. Then add the fact that audio apps have to be rock solid and do stuff in real time and low latency and you've got another dimension of hurt on top of that.
When you think about a feature, you just see what you want. If you think about implementing it, you have to think prototyping, implementation, testing, promotion and monetisation. Shit's hard, yo.
It is. You might not agree with it, but it's still valid.
. Shit's hard, yo.
???
I just explained to you that making music apps is hard and takes a lot of time. I've laid out the reasons for it in the post before. If you don't understand them, I'm sorry but I cannot help you any further.
Seb - while accepting everything you say, Korg did say on launch that there would be audio tracks, and 2 years feels overdue for delivery on that. Yes it's a great app as it is, but it would be even better with audio tracks!
So much assumption about the ease of software development in this thread. I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck that no one in this thread up to this point (other than maybe @Sebastian ) had a single thing to do with Gadget's development, or has seen any iteration of the development except the released product.
"Shit's hard, yo."
Shit's rude and entitled, yo.
Lots of people use Gadget fully aware that you have to work within its current limitations. As you know, there was a long thread here that was submitted to Korg with members suggestions for improvements. Korg is a big outfit and none of those changes have yet to be implemented, I'm not just speaking for myself here, you know.
Shit's hard, yo... Thats condescending, frankly...
Shit's rude and entitled, yo. - thats just nonsense.
“Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's needs, but not every man's greed.”
― Mahatma Gandhi
Well, that's an entirely different topic. I was not part of the development of Gadget and I cannot comment on what Korg communicated as an upcoming feature of the app. I was only commenting on the time frame of implementing certain features.
Also, I have to admit that I've just played devils advocate and assumed that some features were not intended to be added or foreseen at the initial conception of it, in which case a lot of changes would have to be made to internal routing and all of that stuff. There would have to be a UI for it, limitations of certain device classes would have to be included and stuff like that.
You also have to take into account that Korg does not have an unlimited amount of audio devs. They're good, but they're only human. We cannot yet clone audio developers. And if another project has been pushed into the pipeline at a higher priority there go your promised features (at least in the timeframe they were promised in).
From what I can tell, everyone at Korg is really interested in making great apps and I do not think there was any ill will present when they announced some features for Gadget earlier. I also think the best way to get Korg to implement something you want is to phrase it nicely in an email or tweet at them. Complaining in a relatively rude tone will definitely have a lower pay-off.
I love iOS exactly for the fact that it is different from the Daws available on a mac or pc. I see it as an modular environment with audiobus as a link. I've done my fair share of recording, overdubbing and editing with the old good BM2 and have to say that despite having come up with satisfying results I'm glad to be free from 'that' workflow. I personally find it too static. This is not to say that there aren't people who still like that kind of thing of course.
As far as gadget I never thought it suited the app's UI. This is probably the reason why it has not been added. To those who'd like audio in gadget I'd say to focus on the 2 available sampler gadgets rather than on what you don't have as it might be a long time before something like gadget + audio happens.
I agree with the Professor above that irrespective of difficulty, design or desire, it would be smart (and decent) (and take ten minutes) for Korg to quietly outline an honest response to something they put on the table previously.
Moving on, and while I would 'love audio in Gadget etc' I think an immediate half-way house (subject to development) would be to increase the sample length capability of Bilbao to, say, thirty seconds...
I was quoting you...
@JohhnyGoodyear and @Peter321 yes, developers should take care about the promises and expectations they give to their users. I think there are many great developers on iOS which do exactly that. For me, Retronyms has been disappointing for me in this regard so my interest in their apps has wained due to an unwillingness to support Audiobus integration in their non-Arturia apps and a failure to squash bugs despite the passage of time and lots of requests from their users.
In this particular case it might be good for Korg to address the issue of audio in Gadget but they might be afraid that the answer they give would alienate their users and have strategically chosen to remain silent. In any case, they know quite a few users want audio tracks for Gadget but as in many things it is difficult to know what's going on looking from the outside in and it's easier to ask and promise than it is to deliver.