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7 months and all we get is a replacement for WIST?
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I imagine that a good majority of Gadget users don't care (or even conceive of the point) about audio tracks. Hardcore folks on this forum... certainly. Heh, I don't think Korg holding a news conference apologizing is warranted. Once Link is in a good DAW (hello Auria Pro!) it really wont matter.
Politely disagree
Are we not allowed to question things at all here now ?
I'm no moaner, but I'm no fan boy either.
Why do some people here have to get so riled up and snarky sometimes ?
Human nature I guess, I would recommend laudanum...
I know eh?
I just Vape heavily
I suspect Vape might be the new laudanum; how old we're getting....
Tell me about it...
Personally I'm not that bothered about audio tracks as I pump everything into Auria. But if a company promises to provide a certain piece of functionality, and people have paid money for their product in the expectation it will be provided and it isn't, then they have every right to feel disgruntled about it.
As I said, doesn't worry me personally as I love Gadget as it is, and Korg are one of my favourite companies, but you can't blame people for being a bit miffed.
"Question" all you want... But don't be surprised when you get answers ;-)
I think it is totally valid to question a developers marketing tactic if they advertise a feature and don't follow thru within two years.
I also think it is good to give devs some slack, benefit of the doubt, etc. I'm sure they are working hard. ...even if it isn't on the things we are expecting due to their poor marketing.
I always thought that audio tracks would pretty much reduce the Gadget Cloud to rubble as the top tracks would be made with anything but Gadget thus rendering what I assume is their key marketing tool useless. I imagine an internal debate at Korg regarding this happened resulting in someone standing on a long wooden table and running full tilt towards a window.
I had a little smile on my face as i read this @Michael and we all know why you are busy, but.......a little remind with a flower in my hand:
https://forum.loopyapp.com/discussion/comment/7824/#Comment_7824
I love Gadget I am a little pissed that Korg did not support IOS 7.0 when they released module....Their loss!
Gadget with link is a REALLY good update though. As someone else said earlier when Auria, Cubasis get link will it matter!
I also would love audio tracks, eq on each track and choice of fx etc and sympathise with some of the gripes here
But here are the facts
Korg is a big company and very busy
We do not know what they plan or are able to do further to the app, for all we know, they may have tried audiotracks and decided that it didnt suit the app
Plus everything sebastian said, it was refreshing to me to hear from a developers view point
We often act as if its only the end user that matters..wrong..there is hard work involved in bringing quality apps into existance
Work around limits if there are any, it doesnt hurt to keep asking korg if you want to try...
Those 3 are MAJOR! iM1 plus all of the ROM cartridges for far less than the price of just 1 ROM cartridge.
Feynman: I'd rather have questions that can't be answered, than answers that can't be questioned.
Yeah... With all due respect, that's a load of crap. They "get something" for their product. It's called money. And developers are nowhere without a consumer's money, whereas the consumer may move on, unmolested, with or without said developer's product. Of course, your perspective is precisely as it should be, from YOUR perspective. But don't take a consumer to the woodshed for suggesting that the exchange of money for product isn't "supporting the developer". Because it is. You might not like the common parlance, but that doesn't change anything. You can't redefine the concept of "supporting a business".
Look at Retronyms. The $&@#'ed up in a MAJOR way with the 1.4 update. And yes, we supported them. They promised MPC desktop export support from day ONE, and many ponied up for the iMPC Pro app, based on that alone. So what did they do, 2 years later? Add Ableton support, while Akai loyalists are STILL dangling. They're more concerned with the preposterous "Wej" hardware, than with keeping their promise to the consumers that... That's right... Supported them and their product.
That's just the thing. Since you don't know what the other proverbial 87 things are—or how/why they got on the list—how could you possibly argue that the things you'd like to see are more important?
For the record, eq/comp per channel and better send effects are on my top 3 most wanted in gadget list so it's not like I disagree with the potential benefit to gadget. Of course, other people have differing ideas of 'most important'. Like, adding a sampler. Or two. Or a great 'natural instruments' module. Or the entire sonic history of the M1. The whole 'they need to improve gadget and are leaving us hanging' meme just doesn't have any weight.
I should just stfu, I realize, but as soon as I see someone say something about how easy it would've to add feature-I-want-X it just kinda makes me nuts.
Well, I made a point of asking Korg again today if we could please, perhaps, get MIDI channel selection in iMS-20 and iPolysix
after 4 years...
If things are promised, then surely it's not too much to ask them to deliver.
It's not the fact that Korg is a big company or anything other, it is like @Sebastian mentionend. Software Development isn't just about putting a certain feature live.
I work in Software Development as well (Project side of things, UI and Workflow Designs, Requirement Engineering, Specification, Release and Deployment Management, Testing, Operational Support).
If I need to introduce a new workflow or just a new button that lets say runs a script on a certain object I selected in my Application this usually takes 10-12 months until its live and that is fast because what happens usually is:
And that is just a short rundown. In the days of Google and Apple everybody seems to assume that every company only does Softwaredevelopment with SCRUM within Sprints. This may be possible for startups or big companies that entirely shifted their working paradigm during the last 5 years. Usually you have an enviroment in which you have other projects beeing worked on by the same ressources you would like to use.
Can you imagine that under all these circumstances (not even taking into account holidays, personal vacations, absences..) a year is gone by so fast?
and...can you imagine how much that actually costs and how little each of use is willing to pay for updates/upgrades or iOS Apps?
iOS music development isn't something you shoot for because you want to make big money.
WOW this discussion took of over night :-)
I'll say this:
That said, Korg DID promise that Audio Tracks were part of the road-map when they launched 2 years ago. They STILL promise this on the product page for Gadget http://www.korg.com/us/products/software/korg_gadget_for_ipad/ so EVERY user who have purchased Gadget in the last 2 years could rightfully claim they are expecting Korg to deliver that. Kong may have changed their mind, or found it too difficult, but then they should at least have updated their product description to not include this promise anymore (with or without informing us users).
Here is what the product page said at launch, and still says today:
"... There's a roadmap for future updates that will add new gadgets and support audio tracks, further perfecting the system as a mobile music production studio. KORG Gadget will continue to evolve in support of serious mobile music-making."
@Sebastian surely you don't agree that it's OK for a developer to advertise a feature and NEVER deliver it? (I would call that false advertising). It's OK to change the roadmap if your are open about it, but to promise something for 2 years and not deliver doesn't seem right in my book.
Gadget is still awesome, Audio Tracks or not, that's not really the issue.
Merry Christmas everyone - now make some music (with or without Audio Tracks
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For those on a crusade against Korg..how about u all join together and tweet @korgiapps at the same time and remind them?
Oh wait..I suggested this before..even started a very successful thread that then ended up having another thread with a poll..which I don't know whether it was submitted to Korg to view..
Lol
Korg makes their own decisions..works according to whatever their bosses decide
You need the head office and a big dose of Japanese etiquette I think
Lol
Actually, I do have some idea of the other '87' - referring the poll that Matt put together earlier in the year. Fair point though, we all see our particular preferences as being the most important.
To reiterate, I'm a big fan of Gadget and use it every day, but it's development has been slow. I'm not talking about Korg as a company, I'm talking about Gadget here.
They listed what, 3 other potential future features? That's neither 87, or not even the other steps being referred to in software development.
People are being nice in this thread in telling you that you're assuming things you don't know @Igneous1 . I will be more blunt. You're not Korg, and I'd bet money that you don't have a clue on the specifics of how much work, and how much technical capability is involved with the updates you've been complaining have not arrived.
To let us know what's on the roadmap isn't exactly a promise.
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I'II be blunt now. I'm not interested in your opinions, whoever you are.
I presume you're not a developer, so you don't really know what you're on about either ? I'm talking about feature requests in my case - not promised updates.
Korg can simply hire some more programmers if need be, I'm sure they aren't short of a few quid.
Actually Korg cannot simply hire more programmers. Capable developers for (iOS) audio applications are very rare.
So all these audio apps here are written by incapable devs
Haha, no. But you're pretty toxic and I'll keep that in mind in case you're not going to change your way of talking to people around here.