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Opinions all the appaholics on a new VS old: Kirnu Cream vs. StepPolyArp & ModStep vs. Genome

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  • null____voidnull____void

    Have the feeling that buying Cream or Modstep will entail a month or so of Learning More Software while not really Making Music.

  • audiblevideoaudiblevideo

    Have the feeling that buying Cream or Modstep will entail a month or so of Learning More Software while not really Making Music.

    @rhcball I think that this is ok for the following:
    1. Each platform/new technology requires a period of adjustment.
    2. Each period of adjustment, hopefully, is in tandem with an increase in what you eventually want to get out of it.
    3. Each new way of doing things can lead to new discoveries regardless.

  • HalftoneHalftone

    @rhcball said:
    Have the feeling that buying Cream or Modstep will entail a month or so of Learning More Software while not really Making Music.

    Could be true. Speaking for Modstep - having spent just an hour or 2 with it so far - i think just a few more 1 hour sessions or so should have it mostly sorted - and in the end I feel it will be worth it. Still not sure I'll get Cream yet or not..

  • KaikooKaikoo
    edited December 2015

    4.Each new could expel ex old.

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    @audiblevideo said:
    I have a theory: Talk long enough on any Audiobus thread and eventually you end up talking about SunVox.

    Godwin's law (amended).

  • ProppaProppa

    @syrupcore said:
    Awesome. Did you get it running at all?

    I have delved! I'm still really clumsy with the Note / Value workflow but keep reminding myself that the beloved Performer 1.0 software took me weeks to get fluent with.

    This might be one of the biggest iOS challenges: given the flood of New Shiny (and truly awesome) apps eventually one must commit to a select amount in order to make them sing or more specifically sing through them.

    If you scroll to the OSC page, you can tap the source button until you get to sample. Load away. It'll be mono but you can do all sorts of synthy stuff on top. If you really need stereo+synthesis, make two eden instances. Otherwise, load the sample into a TRG.

    Great tips - Thanks.

    Yep. +1 @ Sunvox. It's probably as close as you'll get. I still don't know how to use it properly but I can't really think of anything else that allows data input for music values in a similar way.

    Including Modstep and the other MIDI editors?
    I quite love the idea of a closed environment and it so happens that Sunvox has an obscene degree of completeness under its sci-fi looking hood.

    @audiblevideo said:
    I have a theory: Talk long enough on any Audiobus thread and eventually you end up talking about SunVox.

    T-shirt worthy gold.

  • WillWill

    @Proppa said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Awesome. Did you get it running at all?

    I have delved! I'm still really clumsy with the Note / Value workflow but keep reminding myself that the beloved Performer 1.0 software took me weeks to get fluent with.

    Yes! This makes me stupid happy. Maybe it's tenacity, maybe it's the nostalgia, maybe it's the sense that I'm not a total freak for doing the same. Whatever it is, huzzah.

    This might be one of the biggest iOS challenges: given the flood of New Shiny (and truly awesome) apps eventually one must commit to a select amount in order to make them sing or more specifically sing through them.

    So very much ^this. Indeed, part of what set me on the Voyetra path was watching modern videos of a madman busting through song composition with Voyetra. Having full keyboard access to everything and a low number of frills is definitely a part of that speed but the real reason is this guy has used the same software for 25 years! YouTube "Voyetra speed programming" if you wanna see one example of what making your software sing/be sung through can look like.

  • ProppaProppa

    @syrupcore said:

    frills is definitely a part of that speed but the real reason is this guy has used the same software for 25 years! YouTube "Voyetra speed programming" if you wanna see one example of what making your software sing/be sung through can look like.

    I watched these videos with wide eyes. The way that dood "drums" his keyboard commands renders his programming an almost "percussive part" of the music making process and is so automatic it's ..... fantastic.

    Did you catch that he's using Voyetra on a vintage computer which is triggering Cubase on another (I'm assuming current) computer(!)
    Love his mention of having "5 backup DOS computers" and interfaces as I've collected 3 MacPlus' so far. Regardless of platform: a new goal of mine is to get Really fast and fluent with my main tools at the least.

    PS- sorry to all if I've derailed this thread into a personal thing .. I'm still interested as ever with the OP topic. x

  • hellquisthellquist

    @audiblevideo said:
    I have a theory: Talk long enough on any Audiobus thread and eventually you end up talking about SunVox.

    That made me laugh, because it is true. :)

    Surely though that must be a testament to a bloody amazing piece of software? :)
    It is complete in a sense, and it is definitely the most versatile app I know. For anyone looking for a tracker, with sounds, it is as good as it gets (on iOS and/or most other platforms). I love it because it is a synth and an effects unit. When I have no idea what to do next I often fire up Sunvox just to see where it takes me, and 100% of times so far it has taken my idea/song to the next step.

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    @hellquist
    Complete is a great word for Sunvox...

    Considering only its sample instrument side for a moment: Sunvox loads XI instruments, here's a link (mentioned off and on here on the forum) to a huge XI instrument download (torrent), the breadth and quantity is just silly

    http://tracker.modarchive.org/d639852c22ea292ab548000ec6627f660ceb60de/

    First rule of Sunvox Fight Club: share

    Ironically you can already program whatever u want with Sunvox synthesis powers, but XI, and WAV sample instruments are another continent of old school tracker power on offer in Sunvox. Then there's OGG files and the onboard Vorbis instrument...

    I stripped the OGG library I'm using from IAPs purchased inside the late lamented studioHD and Looptastic Producer apps...will put up a link so long as copyright for these files isn't an issue.

  • hellquisthellquist

    @Littlewoodg said:
    http://tracker.modarchive.org/d639852c22ea292ab548000ec6627f660ceb60de/

    Awesome! Thanks! I hadn't seen it before! :smiley:

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    @hellquist said:

    @Littlewoodg said:
    http://tracker.modarchive.org/d639852c22ea292ab548000ec6627f660ceb60de/

    Awesome! Thanks! I hadn't seen it before! :smiley:

    Just another completeness that is Sunvox...and if you happen to have Renoise, you can make your own XIs.

    If you're into it I can put up the OGG stuff I have too - it includes instruments and loops, Sunvox Orbis player loads them, also Cubasis loads them as samples to drop into audio tracks...

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg
    edited January 2016

    @hellquist
    Here are the OGG files I've accumulated , (there are a couple WAV files mixed in) once you copy to desktop from my Dropbox you just drag the whole file folder into the Sunvox file window in iTunes, Inside Sunvox add a Vorbis module to your work space, and "Load" takes you to Sunvox top level folders and OGG will be there next to Instruments and Examples...

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t25l9ac14v7w6al/AAAGSIN83ANS4MGj702F5nXXa?dl=0

  • hellquisthellquist

    @Littlewoodg said:
    @hellquist
    Here are the OGG files I've accumulated , (there are a couple WAV files mixed in) once you copy to desktop from my Dropbox you just drag the whole file folder into the Sunvox file window in iTunes, Inside Sunvox add a Vorbis module to your work space, and "Load" takes you to Sunvox top level folders and OGG will be there next to Instruments and Examples...

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/t25l9ac14v7w6al/AAAGSIN83ANS4MGj702F5nXXa?dl=0

    Excellent! Thanks! I can see many hours of my near future being absorbed! :)

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    @hellquist
    Enjoy. Some clerical is required with the XIs, the download file structure has one too many levels for Sunvox, and there's overlaps of genre and instrument collections, but after the XI clerical is sorted, and OGG file added in I think it ends up being about 3000 sounds + loops...

  • oat_phippsoat_phipps

    I've opened it a few times for a few minutes each, but I honestly still don't know what's going on with Cream. It sucks that the language barrier prevents the manual from being helpful, and their YouTube videos are much the same.

    Anyone have a good source for a tutorial video on this?

  • LittlewoodgLittlewoodg

    @oat_phipps
    The Kirnu Intercative channel on YouTube helped a bit, (some one up thread mentioned this?) the vst version tutorials (CM magazine one for example) helped me a bit, functions are same, gui differs somewhat.
    I've gotten it to do some of the cool stuff it can do, the learning curve is steep for old dude like me

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