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Yeah... no.
To Me it feels that 'Link' is directed more towards live performance.
It will not solve 'everything sync-related' automagically.
When I first heard about Link I thought it would also send audio between devices and apps and all that in 'sync'.
That was apparently not the case, it would have been cool though.
As far as I've understood Link just sends 'sync-pulses' to keep things in sync. It doesn't send 'Time Code' or any 'Transport Related Stuff''(Start, Stop, FFWD/REV, Position etc.) and thus Link can not be used for 'remote control' of other apps or devices, correct me if I'm out of line.
If there is one thing i don´t need in iOS is another "standard". We already have many different standards but none of these things had time to get really a standard.
I also really don´t get why the hell should any developer should be interested in making a non-crossplatform standard.
No one knows how iOS will evolve. Is it even there in a few years? Why are people trying to differ iOS from the rest of the music world. Sorry, i really don´t get it???
When I was reading this thread yesterday, I was seriously getting the feeling that I need to step away from this forum, as it seems every new very major release/innovation is met with some truly hysterically reactionary responses which I am simply completely unable to fathom.
I mean, its like we were all dying of thirst in a desert, and someone came by with gallons of free water, and some guy in the crowd says, "Hell no, we should make our own water!"
It is so crazy.
And, it is directed at regular iOS devs who have no system level access to address these issues with.
I mean, if you want to make such a request, make it to Apple.
But it seems iOS users have somehow been conditioned to not take their issues up with Apple because they know they will not get a response.
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It kind of makes sense then. The high potential for hysterical reaction leading to zero response.
I tryed sometimes to get a response from apple.
I mean their customer service is really good but not for feature request or bug solving!
I think they do not want anyone to quote them!
I guess they just brickwall (and sherlock) devs for shits and giggles.
Seriously though, if their hands are on the system, they need to be more responsive to necessary features.
Maybe people think if they get comments to independent devs that those devs will somehow be able to communicate things up the "chain" to Apple.
They would be wrong.
Unless, of course, those Devs happen to host a weekly podcast kissing Apple's ass for more than an hour per episode.
I tell you, I really don't care that is healthy mineral or poisonous water! I just want to say to everyone not to push all developers to follow this Ableton route, because this route will probably lead to a must have feature similar like Audiobus or IAA! For the same token, I really encourage those iOS DAW developers or any to have a mechanism to have a synch for the tempo if it is not necessary a midi-wise implementation! And for this regard, Auria Pro from @WaveMachineLabs is capable to further developing Auria Link with other apps!
For Ableton Link route, you might imagine there will be more different devices to it. Be it Android, or others! It will be a demanding feature to monopolized on it! Don't you think so! That water will be spilling over every continentals, be it the dry deserts or icy lands! There will also more perks to come with extra features with Link!
From consumers stand point, of course it is very good! But for native iOS developers, I urge you guys to support native version of Link, you will have more joy from the benefits to be only iOS music!
If there is no response to this imagination, My answer is 'Who cares', let's play Android Music! Bloody hell, I just need to change or buy a new device, that's it, I don't need Apple Music Apps and why should I need Audiobus!
Bingo, again!
Good luck with Android, Bro.
I was on Linux for 8 years.
You want to talk about poisoned water?
That's 8 years I should have developing competency and workflows on a Mac.
Linux is truly snake oil as you have to actually be a super high level programmer to ever get what you want on that platform, or spend your life begging coders working for free to try to implement something they likely don't even have the skill set/ability to do themselves.
Linux is nothing but a mirage in the desert.
Android is the Swedish Bikini Team in said mirage.
The holy war of iOS.... I agree with AQ808.... Time to step away from this forum!
We know that apple could break every standard which might change the world of iOS..... Whatever!
I feel like this thread should be up for some kind of award. Haven't decided exactly which yet...
Heh or if you make ungodly bucketloads of cash with freemium games. 8)
Cinebient, you are a good music maker! I absolutely not criticize you personally.
I want to say, Don't you think iOS music is the last playground to support small developers and miserables!
I just saw a thread that ZedSynth developer complains it is a financial disaster doing iOS music. How about many of them?
I certainly love the talented musicians, Indi developers and iOS environments.
Thank you by staying here later on! I am actually leaving, have personally business to do, you won't see me come here often very soon! Please, this place is memorable!
My point is that money goes into everyone's wallet. iOS is stronger as a music platform if more people can use it to connect with all their devices. iPad developers benefit from a larger market. It's not iOS against the world. That's retro thinking if I ever heard it.
I don't know exactly what Link can accomplish, but I don't see how it's a threat to iOS developers. The threat is that nothing will ever work as well and as universally as it should. If Link works, Ableton is doing everyone a favor. If someone else can do better, then do it already.
Hell Yeah! It sure reads like a one legged man in an arse kicking competition
It is a headscratcher for sure, ranks right up there with all the "is it safe to upgrade to iOS 7 yet?" threads.
I tell you, Korg has specific aims for their ambition; it is obvious.
Does Gadget gives you channel selection? No!
Does it give you IAA midi? No!
Does it give you Midi Sync? No!
Why?
I tell you, it is total convenience that Ableton exporting feature and Ableton Link for the two giants to manipulate the moves! Does Ableton open the source codes to welcome you and any developers to join without scrutinization? Does Ableton promise you this is a contract only for iOS music and audio?
I encourage competitions and I reject monopoly and oligopoly behaviors. Even Audiobus, I have seriously thinking what Audiobus team are doing! What is Audiobus team actions!
For any business, there is always a tendency to expand and to monopolize own market. Who's elbow turning outward? They are always inward!
I don't see any danger now to anyone, and any apps! I just tell you guys what the things will go with demanding and supplying forces! Sometimes, people do not foresee the future, they are losing battleground because of battlefront!
Ableton Link from my eyes, it is not something that is so technical unachievable, it is something welcoming because this audio tempo hole is unintentionally not discoverable by general public and Audiobus and Apple music industry! The problem is not a miracle to cure other apps by it's tempo pairing ability for happier users, the problem is coming from its master role in this industry and masters behind the desk for own goods! Why? Because it is the majority users' votes that count the market forces and future coalition by other demanding competitors soliciting resources to devour consumers! That is how they play the bigger money games! You, me and small developers just silent lambs to be killed!
Apple and korg and whatever dont care at all about what you think. They just want your money
Because people will continue to use ipad and buy apps because they cheap and fun toys.
Its a marketing strategy not to provide all features. You will still wait.
Ipad music apps are nice for sketching ideas, do bit of recording and toy around with iit.
They are very social thing also.
Ios is Not professional, not stable, not reliable. And will never be.
Even editing projects on touch screen is so much harder. Why would anyone want to do it ?
Give up. Wanna be serious / productive ? Be less in this forum and start using normal daw.
wait for it.................54321
I agree %100 iPad/iOS will never be stable or reliable, When I think of all the money I have spent on Apps I could weep. My iPad air struggles on OS9.2
But until then or when guys you have made wonderful music. It's about music in the end.
It opened up many possibilities for normal people to experiment with sounds, recording, and all that. Which is great. Probably gave A boost to synth market.
They know it, and deep inside everyone here knows it
But it is what it is. U can record simple stuff in it if you just want to record simple stuff, and experience many different colors of audio production. Its fine for bedroom soundcloud production.
But in the end of the day , whoever is serious about it will want more, and will use normal stable daw, and will buy real ms20, instead of breaking the head to make everything sync, use workarounds, and hoping that the future will be generous.
You want to make it work well like it supposed and stop wating time ?
Use cubasis or auria with native instruments and with 1,2 more instruments that u know for sure are solid.
Then continue on desktop. Ipad is also a nice controller for desktop daw.
Stop dreaming of neverland, you are fooled , nobody taking ios seriously man, in the last two years just look how many updates and improvements desktop daws got. Look at cubase 8.5 . And cubasis updates ? Its crazy to be stuck in ios when u wanna produce seriously just because its touchscreen. and portable. With keyboard and mouse and ipad as controller the workflow on desktop in uncomparably more fast better and stable.
It's amazing what some people will find to complain about.
Ableton Link has been the single most useful development in iPad music use for myself. I want to see pretty much all apps have Link.
Link syncd lfos, FX and arp tempo. Link syncd drum machines, midi sequencers, loopers and pads.
To those that find iOS a problem to make music, remember that many people make music in a different way than that which is more suited to computer. My iPad is an instrument first and foremost, it just happens to be able to do drums, synths, guitar fx and some recording. Bonus that my iPad is portable and cost less than much of the hardware I used to own.
Roll on the iOS music train, you are taking us to new horizons
+1,000,000
Now there's a sensible take on the whole thing
I totally agree. I was very close to packing my bags & moving over to Surface territory. Now, Ableton Link is here, I can see a light at the end of the tunnel. With a little bit of patience, the Devs will catch up & midi sync will be reliable, happier thing. Better than before, than the midi clock mess up of old. The relief of setting up, then press play & everything is synced up in time just takes the guess work & stress out, when trying to create a tune(good or bad)..... So long as you have fun doing it.
I was super excited by Link and had a blast using it for a week over the holidays. i thought it was utopia jumping between perfectly synced apps and recording them into Auria. that is until I got sucked into Modstep and am back just using IAA. Now I am anxiously nailbiting/awaiting the next Modstep update so I can record these IAA jam setups. sigh... The train never ends!! But i like it.
I would agree but there are working lots of independent developers and/or very small companies for other OS as well.
And it's about apple, the app store and last but not least the consumer to pay more for a good app! And then it's the decision of the developer which OS and why will be supported.
The true is i prefer to support a developer who trys to make crossplatform things rather then focus on an unstable mobile OS.
And then, to start the train again, ModStep has link, so you can jam with your mate who also has ModStep controlling another bunch of IAA's/hardware and then using StudioMux, you can record the whole thing into your PC or MAC based DAW
It is a wonder we ever get a chance to make any music, what with all these choices to make