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what does beat hawk have in common with an hardware mpc, workflow wise?
I see this post right when I've been wondering if I should sell my Roland SP-404sx
I suck with these pad samplers, why do I always buy them? lol
At least iMPC and iMPC Pro serves as sample libraries for me
Don't blame yourself. The Sp-404sx is one of the most opaque pieces of sampling gear on earth. Despite its decent FX and long sample times, it has an archaic menu system, and some damning limitations.
I returned mine in a couple of days, when I realized I could turn out 10 tracks with my OP-1 in the time it takes to get one good one out of the 404.
And I know it's not me & pads, because I scooped an MPC Touch about 2-3 weeks ago, and I was turning out hot stuff in a day. It's about workflow. The workflow on the 404 is absurd and antique.
man that sp404... i have an mpc2000xl purchased nearly the week it went on sale in my area and i still only use about 35% of it. my s950 is my workhorse and i feel much better working on it as i can wrap my little brain around it.
then i got the 404sx at one point and i NEVER got used to that. sold it in a month...
workflow! agree brotha... the 404sx just didnt cut it...
I also scooped up an MPC Touch a few weeks ago. I have to give Akai props. for delivering regular updates and new features to the MPC Touch/Renaissance/Studio product line. The 1.9.2 update released this week adds even more exciting features. iMPC Export was like icing on the cake despite some bugs. It is usable and at least we know Retronyms and Akai are actively working on it.
There were widely circulated rumors that Roland would be releasing an updated SP-type sampler at NAMM. So far I haven't seen it. Guess it would just wishful thinking, even though it was supposedly from the same guy who had the scoop on the release of the MPC Touch.
@Dham , yeah... I heard about this update on the SP line too. Hope it will be something more user-friendly
@JP-08 and @Icepulse I still keep my SP around. Unfortunately, my favorite workflow was with the Korg ES-1, but mine got burnt
Sorry for going OT, everyone... lol
Going back to iOS... I would rather recommend Beatmaker 2, Beathawk or iMaschine 2 instead of iMPC. They have better and friendlier workflows
When I got on the apple bandwagon back in November I snagged up a bunch of music apps, beat maker 2 (among many others) being one of them. I've not yet even scratched the surface on beat maker 2.
I like the impc pro because I was born and raised on the mpc hardware, so it is not bad for me...
i just don't see anything remotely mpc-centric in beat hawk's workflow, it's more of a rompler imo and it's sequencer is nothing like any mpc either so I was just curious. It's cool to hate on retronyms but beat hawk is way less mp-centric.
But bettah.
apples and oranges.
I'm fond of all kinds of fruit, but I have my favorites
me too, just think that beat hawk is one of those is it a fruit or a vegetable kind of things, it comes up in mpc discussions quite allot but it's the furthest of all of the beat machines to an mpc, all of the other 16 pad drum apps are closer as I understand it so I was became very curious when he said he went from a mpc 2000 to beat hawk for the similar workflow, thought I might learn something about beat hawk I wasn't aware of as I know the mpc-2000 very well.
Because in Beathawk you can place an entire instrument onto a one cell of pad and sequence it. Place a sample on another etc. So you can think of the 16 pads as 16 MPC programs . Beathawk has one of the best song modes as well.
Do love the the BH song mode, quirky like the app, but easy, reliable, and you can do some cool things quickly (taking out selected pads from the pattern etc). Anyway, Dr. K's right, in his own way; we've all just got to find some salad we like etc.
this I know, and why I think it's closest resemblance/comparison is Maschine, not an mpc which is nothing like that.
does beat hawks song mode allow you to automate tempo and time signature?
I just bought the mellotron pack for beat hawk
, uvi does packs right
@JohnnyGoodyear Having used both apps I often sensed that BeatHawk was designed by people who made music and iMPC was perhaps not. I assume that Retronyms must (mustn't they?) be beat-makers themselves yet if I'm being harsh I'd suggest it's the clinical design a robot might produce: everything makes conceptual sense but very little seems to make vibe'ing-user-friendly-sense™.
@kobamoto What I meant was that after many years of MPC 2000'ing and 2500'ing BeatHawk is the only app that puts me in that same workflow headspace: iMPC Pro (arguably) Should, and Beat Machine is another contender (again almost directly modeled as a version of an MPC) yet it's BeatHawk that resembles the Feeling (totally subjective to be sure) of the MPC to me.
One disclaimer here is that I was never an auto-chop guy: I've always edited every sample by hand yet I know loading music / beats and using Chop modes was an integral go-to for many an MPC user. These days I assume to pre-edit my samples in Logic or Twisted Wave or AudioShare.
The way I'm looking at all these apps is: once they're loaded up with your favorite sounds how directly can you emotively flex with them which is totally separate from tech specs and linear comparisons.
I wasn't talking about chopping but the sequencer but I understand what you meant better.
I've seen retronyms making beats, their experience is not what you expected.