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Also I can set up like a piano one channel 1, a warm pad on 2 and strings on 3, but my midi keyboard is only triggering the piano or whatever is on channel 1.
How can I trigger all channels with my keyboard, and just use the mixer to decide what I hear and what I don't? Is that possible?
It says it's multitimbral but I can't figure out how to trigger more than one sound at once.
Try HammerSound. They seem to be among the most comprehensive online. I can't recommend a specific one though, since I haven't dove that deep into it.
http://hammersound.net/cgi-bin/soundlink.pl
To trigger additional sounds the midi input has to be mapped correctly, so if you have strings on midi channel 2, the midi input in BS-16i has to be set to channel 2. I've used multi-channel setups several times with no problems.
Maybe I misunderstand you, but it seems like that still will only trigger one voice at a time. Can I set several instruments to respond to the same midi channel?
Or do I have to configure my controller to send on several channels at once?
If it's the later, that is a pain.
To get more than one voice at the same time, they would have to be on different midi channels, or you could use the midibridge app to rechannelize a single channel coming in to different channels. Are you wanting to have the same midi stream drive different sounds at the same time? Normally, I have one midi stream, say a rhythm part, drive one sound, as another midi stream drives another sound. In that case, if I'm using a keyboard, I lay down the tracks one after another, but most often I'm using a midi sequencer which will output different channels to different sounds. Hope that makes sense and helps.
That does make sense, and I was hoping I could do like in Sampletank, and assign them all to the same midi channel.
I play at my church and for that kind of stuff I like to have a mix of piano, soft pad, and strings, and be able to mix them on the fly, so I can turn down the piano on transition parts, and only play pads, and then bring the piano back up once the song kicks in. Or whatever.
I think I can still do that, but I'll have to either setup all 4 zones on my Axiom61 to all 88 notes, and then turn on all 4 zones, and then set each zone to different midi channels.
Or if I could use midibridge to duplicate the incoming signal on multiple channels to the app, that would be much easier.
I do it this way, so that all voices are being triggered at once, but I just throttle the audio level. It makes for smoother transitions.
Thanks for the help, btw!
I guess what confused me was the number on the channel. I thought that was like patch slot 1 -16, I didn't realize it was midi channel 1-16. Makes sense though.
No problem @keeverw. I think either layering or using midibridge would work from your description. I think it would just come down to which approach is easiest for muting the other audio sources.
I wonder if the sliders on the mixer in BS-16i can recieve CC data?
If so, I wonder where I can find the numbers for them.
I haven't looked into that. If you find an answer, please share it.
I may email the dev.
@keeverw in Sampletank you can have 4 different inst all running on the same midi channel or 4 separate ch. or any combination of the 4,
Thanks. I actually have done that before, but I am not terribly impressed with Sampletank. I am really liking BS-16i, so I am trying to figure out a way to get that same functionality out of it. And really it would work even better than Sampletank, because it has an onscreen mixer which is exactly what I need.
Yes bs16 is nice. Can you do more than 2 inst at a time?
Bs16 has 2 keyboards by default one is set to channel 1 and the other channel 2.
It can do 16 different instruments simultaneously.
@PaulB. I guess I was just thinking about the onboard keys. Makes sense, 16 ch 16 inst. awesome!
@keverw Since bs16 is receiving on separate channels per instrument, it logically follows that any MIDI controller set to send in omni mode will play all the instruments simultaneously. If your MIDI keyboard can do it, that's where you need to set it up. I tested playing 3 different instruments simultaneously in bs16 on channels 1, 2 and 3 using the MIDI omni out mode in Magellan and it works just fine.
PaulB,
That would be really cool if my keyboard could do that, but I'm not sure if it can.
I have a 1st Generation M-Audio Axiom-61. When I scroll through the global midi channels, it just goes 1 through 16, it never says omni.
Also sometimes I use my Korg NanoKey2, and I don't know what channel it sends on, but it can't be changed that I know of.
So I am thinking the midibridge thing will be my best bet.
I'm at work, but I'll try it when I get home.
Another cool thing, I could add another controller (like my Korg PadKontrol) into my USB hub, and set it for a channel in BS-16i which some drum sounds or whatever and have someone else play drums on the pads, while I play keyboard. Or I could play both.
Seem very flexible.
I think Paul meant to set Megellan to omni mode not keyboard.
I don't have Magellan.
I think he was just saying he tested it out using Magellan, and if it works that way, it will probably respond the same way if I can get my keyboard to transmit on all channels.
But after checking the instruction book, it doesn't appear to be possible.
This evening, I'll give MidiBridge a try. I think that will do the trick for me.
@keeverw You have it correct, that's exactly what I meant.
I couldn't find a way to get MidiBridge to remap one channel to all channels. It only remaps one to one.
Ok. MIdiBridge can do it if you use the Stream Byter module.
Use MidiBridge to route your keyboard MIDI to bs16.
Set bs16 MIDI input to MidiBridge.
Open up the bs16 MIdiBridge modules screen.
Activate Stream Byter.
Open up Stream Byter.
Cut and paste the following into the rules window.
# duplicate channel 1 into channels 1, 2 and 3.
X0 = X1 +C # clone to channel 2.
X0 = X2 +C # clone to channel 3.
Click on 'Install Rules'
It should work how you wanted, with the bs16 mixer controlling relative levels.
The principle can be extended to more channels.
Wow, that looks a little complicated.
I'll give it a try though.
I did get it working on my Axiom though.
I just used the zones. There are 4 zones and I set them all the full keyboard range, and then set each one to a different midi channel. And then activated them all.
That allowed me to trigger 4 instruments at once in BS16.
But 4 will be the max going this route. I'd like to have the option for more, if it ever comes up. Also I sometimes play with my Korg Nanokey2 as well, and it doesn't have zones, but the midibridge option should work for it.
So I will give your thing a try.
@ PaulB
Thank you so much for that info.
Yes, it worked perfectly.
I haven't tried it on my Axiom at home yet, but I just tried it using my NanoKey2 and it worked perfectly. I even extended it on, so when I play the keyboard which is on channel 1 it clones it on the first 8 channels. And I could do 8 more if I ever though I needed it. It doesn't seem to slow anything down at all.
Now I just need to see if the faders in that app are controllable by Midi CC.
Anyone know?
If not, I can certainly just use the on-screen sliders, but in a live situation, I'd rather have a physical slider.
You're welcome. Glad you got it working.
I played around with the CCs and CC7 does control the volume slider, however it only controls it for the midi channel it is associated with. If you can map your keyboard sliders to CC7 with each being on the desired midi channel, it should work.