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Ipad for live keyboard rig

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  • I don't think thats possible with my controller. All the sliders are on the same group, and I can only set the channel for the group as a whole.

    I wonder if Midibridge could handle this.

    Say it receives Midi CC#100, and it can convert it to CC#7 on Channel 1
    And if it receives Mici CC #101 it can convert it to CC#7 on channel 2.
    Etc.

  • I think that might work. Let us know if it does.

  • I just tested it through Stream Byter and it worked fine.

  • Can you share the code for doing this?
    I have no idea how to set that up.

  • B0 101 = B1 07
    B0 102 = B2 07
    B0 103 = B3 07
    B0 104 = B4 07
    B0 105 = B5 07
    B0 106 = B6 07

    I started with CC101 mapped to CC7 on midi channel #1 and went up to midi channel #6.

  • Sorry, but the carriage returns didn't work as expected. I'll try again...

    B0 01 = B1 07

    B0 02 = B2 07

    B0 03 = B3 07

    B0 04 = B4 07

    B0 05 = B5 07

    B0 06 = B6 07

  • I'm quite sure the Axiom allows you to set different MIDI channels for each slider/knob/button. I'm on my mobile so I can't find the specific information but have a look at the user manual:
    http://www.m-audio.com/images/global/manuals/060801_Axiom_UG_EN01.pdf

  • @funjunkie27 Two spaces before the return will give you the formatting you're after.

  • Thanks @PaulB. Now if I can just remember that when I need it next! ;-)

  • @ thatsRayor
    If that's true, that would be cool. I read the manual already, and didn't find anything to show me how to do that. But I'll admit I haven't actually tried it.
    I do know that the sliders are in one group, and I thought channels had to be set by group, not by individual control.

    @ funjunkie27
    How do you even find out how to program that thing? Is there some information somewhere. Is it like Midi logic or what?
    And are you saying that example you just gave doesn't work as expected?

  • No, the example I gave worked as expected. I was referring to the lack of carriage returns when I first pasted into the post.

    I just went to the devs web site to figure it out...

    http://www.audeonic.com/mb_sbyter.shtml

  • edited June 2013

    Cool.

    So in this example...
    B0 01 = B1 07

    Can you describe what each element is in that formula?

    So I've got 8 faders (one broke off a long time ago), and the are by default CC #'s 111 through 118.

    So what I'd like to convert is this.

    CC#111 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH1
    CC#112 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH2
    CC#113 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH3
    CC#114 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH4
    CC#115 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH5
    CC#116 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH6
    CC#117 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH7
    CC#118 on CH1 convert to CC#7 on CH8

    So how do I go about that?

  • I'm gonna ask this question on the Audeonic forums as well.
    If they answer me first, I'll post it back here.

  • edited June 2013

    The dev answered my question pretty quickly, so props to him for that.
    Ignore the quotation marks on the first two lines. I just added that because without it, the # sign was making the font different.

    "This should do it:

    "# remap CC 111-118 on CH1"
    "# to vol across CHs 1-8"
    B0 6F = X0 07
    B0 70 = X1 07
    B0 71 = X2 07
    B0 72 = X3 07
    B0 73 = X4 07
    B0 74 = X5 07
    B0 75 = X6 07
    B0 76 = X7 07

    The above will do it and get around the Stream Byter bug
    if you were tempted to put B0 70 = B0 07 etc ;-)

    (NB that bug is fixed, hope to push out bugfix update ASAP)

    Regards, Nic."

  • Then it probably has more than one solution, since mine worked using midi designer pro and bs-16i. The elements are:

    B0 01 = B1 07

    B0 = midi ch 1
    01 = CC1
    B1 = midi ch 2
    07 = CC7

  • And I'm not clear on what bug he referenced. Like I said, it worked fine for me.

  • Not sure about the bug either.

    But I am pretty impressed overall with the MidiBridge app, that seems to have pretty much unlimited possibilities.

  • He explained the bug a little more.

    "Actually, what I wrote above about the bug isn't entirely accurate.

    B0 70 = B0 07 # works
    B1 70 = B0 07 # doesn't work

    Essentially the bug occurs if an incoming event has a MIDI channel other than 1 and you specify anything other than 'X' in the first letter of the output clause (the bit after the equal sign). The workaround is to remap to CH 1 before trying to set the message type.

    There is also a more fundamental bug where the Stream Byter editor will not accept channel 10 (hex 9) as a valid channel value. Only workaround is to use a range of 8-A but has the side effect of affecting channels 9 and 11 too.

    Regards, Nic."

  • Yes, with the Stream Byter, it opens a lot of possibilities. From the description, it shouldn't be relevant to what I was doing, since I used midi ch1 in all the inputs.

  • This is a little bit of a derail, but maybe one of you might know.

    So I downloaded a couple of soundfonts, and one I was able to load into SB-16i through iTunes no problem. But one was in a format I wasn't sure about.
    SFARK, but I googled it and found out that it was a compressed SF2 file, so I downloaded an app to decompress it.

    But with one of the soundfonts I downloaded, when I unzipped it there were a couple of files. One that said GM, and another that said GS, and the GS file was way smaller than the GM. I'm assuming the GM (general midi) file is the actual sounds. But what is the GS file for? And can I utilize it with BS-16i?

    Thanks!

  • Nevermind. I just opened it up and it looks like all sound effect type sounds.

  • @keeverw One thing to watch is you can sometimes tell the quality of a soundfont by the size of the file. Larger file sizes normally mean better soundfonts.

  • Yeah, this one was like 68Mb.

    I just found out I can assign each fader on my Axiom to different channels, so I am kinda back on SampleTank again, now that I can mix the 4 sounds on the fly.

  • And so far sampletank sounds better to me than the factory soundfont on BS-16i or the one I downloaded (it was called Liquid or something like that.)

  • So I used my new iOS keyboard rig yesterday morning at church for the first time.
    I'm using a BlackBox powered USB Hub, you can see it's double-stick taped to the top right corner of my Axiom. And my Axiom is powered off of that.
    And then just taking the headphone out into a passive DI box into the PA system.

    It worked really well. My only concern was since this doesn't charge the ipad I wondered how the battery would hold up.
    We rent a building, (college student center to be precise) and we have to setup every Sunday and tear down when we're done. So I get there at 7:00am and leave around 1:00pm every Sunday. And I charged my ipad the night before, overnight. And unplugged it when I left the house at 6:50am. And we started practice about 8:30 and practiced until 10:00. Then we played the actual service from 10:00 to 10:45, and then the sermon was 45 minutes long, and we played a couple of songs afterwards.
    Then we tore everything down.

    When I got home it was about 1:00pm.

    So it was off the charger for 6 hours. And it was actually being used to play music for almost 3 of those hours. And when I got home I checked the battery and it was like 73% I think. So in other words it did really well. I was looking for another way to do this that charged the ipad, but after yesterday I'm not really all that concerned about it.

    I had the screen on the whole time I was playing (I didn't really have to, I just wanted to) and I turned it off during the sermon. So I'm sure that helped a little.

    Anyway, I guess that answers my original question about whether the iPad can replace my laptop on my live keyboard rig. It can and it did.

    http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p252/keeverw/iOS-Keyrig.jpg

  • And I figured out part of why I had distortion also.
    With the connector cable I was using it was basically connecting the left and right channels together, into a mono connector. I got a Y cable instead and only connected the left channel and it sounded much better. I am question whether or not I even need to bother with a USB audio interface at this point.

    I was looking at the Behringer UCA202, but I have to wonder if a $30 interface would really sound any better than the DA converters in the iPad. The main reason I was looking at that, was I could stick it to the left of my LCD on my Axiom, and then everything I need to play (other than the iPad) would be already attached to my Axiom.

  • That's good news. Glad it worked out. Have you looked into Onsong for your worship setup?

  • We use Planning Center Online to organize everything, and the have an app called Music Stand, we are looking into. But that one looks cool too.

    So far myself and one other guy are using iPads, and mine is a mini so reading sheet music might be a little tough on the smaller screen.
    So maybe eventually we will move to something like that. I look forward to it.

  • Sorry for off topic, @mgmg4871 is OnSong good? I am finding an app that can show the lyrics and chords for performance, no need to have proper music sheet, just lyric and chords and the chord can be place in the correct word.
    I know Microsoft word can do it, just curious is it something more convenient for this... haha...

  • edited July 2013

    @RockingGarage Onsong is excellent, and it is specifically designed for that purpose. The Dev constantly updates with new features. It's perfect for worship teams, bands etc. You can share with band members wirelessly via Bluetooth. I can see how this would work with AB so I'm emailing the Dev.Check it out.

    https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/onsong/id502344938?mt=8

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