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Has Kanye West killed off the album as we know it?
http://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/feb/22/kanye-west-the-life-of-pablo-killed-off-album
Interesting but not particularly deep take on how we publish music and what it could mean, from The Guardian.
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Nicely written but a little late to the party, no?
Any artist who falls into this trap may find that:
a] they’ll never ever finish it
b] it’ll be the last album they do until their dying day
c] it’ll become an online asynchronous ‘live’ performance. Each time a consumer listens to it, it may be different.
Not sure this a trap and I agree that some of your conclusions could be the result of this process but there are certainly other ways this process could evolve. For instance:
d] The music just clicks into place one day or even over time and the definitive version emerges.
e] The piece gets abandoned as a work of art that happened in a particular period of time.
f] Kanye happily keeps changing the album forever and people enjoy its evolution.
Who knows, this is something that artists have been exploring since art became a thing.
I don't know if he killed the album, but I do know he did no favors for music in general.
Which particular party are we talking about again?
The "is-the-album-format-as-we-know-it-dead" party.
Ah that one. Yes, probably, except that lots of albums still get sold, but really I wondered what other AB forum members thought about the idea of songs changing over time/evolving over many years even. It's an interesting subject for me.
Sorry if I am being a little flip. But a lot of artist and music have already challenged the "album contains the canonical version of the song" principle. Many sit outside the "digital revolution". Here's a few examples: The Grateful Dead's live concerts/recordings/archives, Frankie Goes To Hollywood and ZTTs use of the twelve inch "version" of a song in the 80's and pretty much the entire history and development of the concept of the "remix". To name but a few.
Yes it is an interesting subject.
Another intriguing example (though a minor one), at one point Underworld released (in their own digital shop) a whole bunch of the progressive stages of development of a couple of their songs. Laying out the waypoints in the studio evolution of the songs. The pieces were often pretty different, and from my perspective, it was pretty hard to say that any of the stages sounded "unfinished".
I'm guessing that Kanye West's PR company put out this story, rather than it being a fundamental change to music.
I say lets make it happen ... Oh, and please I nclude the audio stems
No absolutely, I agree you are right about it in that light.
I think we all(?) still have the notion of classic versions of songs and I do wonder how that plays out when I create "a song"
It is all very interesting. The notion of the canonical version of a piece of music is of course highly specific to the post-studio pop and rock music world. If you step into the rooms marked "classical", "jazz", "free improvisation", or "folk" the story gets pretty different.
Yes of course, you're obviously thinking in a much wider scope than I was. I guess I am primarily interested in the impact on recorded music, rather than performance and how that is experiencing a reversal due to changes in technology and the related costs of releasing music to a wider audience. i.e. it is at the point where an artist could potentially publish every single note/sound they ever produce to a global audience. Not saying that's necessarily a good thing but it does speak a little of how society is changing and raises questions for us as musicians and consumers of music.
I think the Aphex Twin's recent freebie splurge on Soundcloud was rather interesting in the context of all this. Or Wiley's setting free of "everything I have done up till now"
Double post
kanye west the rapper right?.... how come people don't talk more smack to 50 cent, he's a rapper too, same profile level but with a much worse character profile? I dunno, Kanye west just seems so devoid of threat I'd be surprised if he got under my skin.
As far as I can see, there are quite a few not-quite-so-mainstream artists who seem to use streaming on Soundcloud as a window to show what's brewing in their sonic labs. It's not really releasing works for "posterity", but it's certainly an interesting mode of communication with consumers of their music.
Returning to The Aphex Twin's recent musical data-dump, it was also interesting to see that it got some mainstream "album" reviews and turned up on a a least one or two "best releases of the year" lists.
John Frusciante is streaming to great affect too
I'll name just a few music pieces which could add some more thrill to this thread:
Björk's Biophilia: a app-album where 1) there is no settled order for the songs list, 2) the user can actively interact and play with the basic blocks of each song;
2) Tom Yorke's PolyFauna: still a bit obscure to me but it is a music piece;
3) Brian Eno's apps
4) interval Studios' Thicket's
And I know I'm missing so many other examples
Cool thread. Interesting, if nothing else.
It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.
Ha ha, people would be talking on the forums, "DON'T UPDATE KANYE'S ALBUM TO V4.03.1, HE TURNED OFF AUTOTUNE".
That article lays out the ultimate album tweaking nightmare, a world were your version of protools is hooked directly to your fans iPods, so you never actually have to commit to a mix. You just tweak, forever... and your children could take over the mix, after you are gone.
Definitely. We have such a range of experience on this forum that it's always illuminating what surfaces from a discussion like this.
so he was messing around on his iPad one night with some generative apps and then got this idea!
I own the first two. Bjork's album was still prerecorded but added tracks over time if I remember right. I only really remember the visuals from the Thom Yorke one.
This does play into the area of randomised or computer generated music. Which I find interesting in theory but have never really heard anything that interesting from it.
there are actually shitloads of contemporary art which assumes an approach like that: the first that comes into my mind is Urs Fischer's wax sculptures.
this could be the first.... I guess if it's great it'll be great and if the music is not good it won't be so good....
will it destroy the album though I think not... Albums are kind of like vinyl.. they are a way that you want to experience some artist and they are a way that you don't wan't to experience some artist...for example beck, I'm never interested in a single and always want to experience him in album form, where as most current techno I like has a difficult time keeping it together in album form
I always want to use a Vic Reeve's Big Night Out sketch when someone mentions nightmares but have never found it on the interwebs. It roughly goes
Bob: Vic, I've got something for you.
Vic: What is it?
Bob: What's your ultimate dream Vic?
Vic: A cherry on an ironing board.
Bob: Les, bring it out!
Vic: Is it really, have you got my abolute dream?!
~Les brings out the ironing board~
Vic: OH NO!! A BRUSSEL SPROUT ON AN IRONING BOARD. MY WORST NIGHTMARE!!
Which is to illustrate that your nightmare scenario might be someone elses idea of bliss, an ever changing, ever evolving piece of music that grows as the musician does.