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Has Kanye West killed off the album as we know it?

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  • supanortonsupanorton
    edited February 2016

    @Jocphone said:

    @Processaurus said:
    It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.

    Ha ha, people would be talking on the forums, "DON'T UPDATE KANYE'S ALBUM TO V4.03.1, HE TURNED OFF AUTOTUNE".

    That article lays out the ultimate album tweaking nightmare, a world were your version of protools is hooked directly to your fans iPods, so you never actually have to commit to a mix. You just tweak, forever... and your children could take over the mix, after you are gone.

    I always want to use a Vic Reeve's Big Night Out sketch when someone mentions nightmares but have never found it on the interwebs. It roughly goes

    Bob: Vic, I've got something for you.
    Vic: What is it?
    Bob: What's your ultimate dream Vic?
    Vic: A cherry on an ironing board.
    Bob: Les, bring it out!
    Vic: Is it really, have you got my abolute dream?!
    ~Les brings out the ironing board~
    Vic: OH NO!! A BRUSSEL SPROUT ON AN IRONING BOARD. MY WORST NIGHTMARE!!

    Which is to illustrate that your nightmare scenario might be someone elses idea of bliss, an ever changing, ever evolving piece of music that grows as the musician does.

    I was hoping Les was going to bring out an ironing board with pickups and strings on it!

    I'm sorry; I couldn't resist.

  • setAIsetAI

    record track>master>upload to youtube and archive.org>next

  • JRSIVJRSIV

    @Nathan said:

    @JRSIV said:

    We all play, write and record music for our own reasons and if forced we would all probably admit money or "the business" is NOT the main reason that made us pick up an instrument and continue on with it through life's ups and downs. It's part of our souls and there's a need to do music that's there, as hokey as they may be.

    Oh yes. A long time ago in a life far, far away (and a different ID) I had an album out, and sold a few. But the quids that came in paled before letters from people saying that this or that song had moved them.

    Today, I dabble, with the idea of plonking the results on the Interweb. If people like it, great, if someone wants to sell it, even better. But I'm really just doing it for me, to express ideas that need more than words.

    Right on brother. Don't get me wrong, I have to check my ego sometimes when I see some band or singer, or hear a song that makes me think "That is on a major label? That sucks, my stuff is...etc" you know, the entitled artist bit.

    But in the grand scheme of things if I breathe deep and relax and think clearly, I know why I love music, why I write songs, why I play guitar at 3AM for just a few minutes when I walk back to bed after whizzing... I love it and it has saved my life literally many times over. The world is often an ugly place and just the fact that there have been many beautiful songs written and lyrics penned that reach the soul of millions kind of preserves my faith in humanity.

  • blanksmaidenblanksmaiden

    no.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betteridge's_law_of_headlines

  • JohnnyGoodyearJohnnyGoodyear

    I've been away too long. I have no idea what

    I'd rather hear endless Hartlepool Bra men loops

    means, but my mind is racing....

  • pichipichi

    Kanye West killed music. I don't get his popularity. I listened to his big album a year back and it was just a cut and paste selection of sampled music. When I heard it I thought to myself, if I want to hear Mike Oldfield or King Crimson I'll listen to the originals thanks, not a cut up version with beats pasted on and an out of tune rapper.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @supanorton said:

    @Jocphone said:

    @Processaurus said:
    It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.

    Ha ha, people would be talking on the forums, "DON'T UPDATE KANYE'S ALBUM TO V4.03.1, HE TURNED OFF AUTOTUNE".

    That article lays out the ultimate album tweaking nightmare, a world were your version of protools is hooked directly to your fans iPods, so you never actually have to commit to a mix. You just tweak, forever... and your children could take over the mix, after you are gone.

    I always want to use a Vic Reeve's Big Night Out sketch when someone mentions nightmares but have never found it on the interwebs. It roughly goes

    Bob: Vic, I've got something for you.
    Vic: What is it?
    Bob: What's your ultimate dream Vic?
    Vic: A cherry on an ironing board.
    Bob: Les, bring it out!
    Vic: Is it really, have you got my abolute dream?!
    ~Les brings out the ironing board~
    Vic: OH NO!! A BRUSSEL SPROUT ON AN IRONING BOARD. MY WORST NIGHTMARE!!

    Which is to illustrate that your nightmare scenario might be someone elses idea of bliss, an ever changing, ever evolving piece of music that grows as the musician does.

    I was hoping Les was going to bring out an ironing board with pickups and strings on it!

    I'm sorry; I couldn't resist.

    You were thinking it was Les Paul? Vic and Bob was much more surreal :smile:

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:
    I've been away too long. I have no idea what

    I'd rather hear endless Hartlepool Bra men loops

    means, but my mind is racing....

  • WillWill
    edited February 2016

    @Processaurus said:
    Ha ha, people would be talking on the forums, "DON'T UPDATE KANYE'S ALBUM TO V4.03.1, HE TURNED OFF AUTOTUNE".

    Love!

    But

    @Processaurus said:
    It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.

    If you bought it physically or downloaded it, you'd always have the version you bought.

    Plus, remixing, live versions, outtake versions, demo versions... Consumers and the record industry are not strangers to same artist, same song, different versions at all.

  • u0421793u0421793

    This exact thing is now possible with books.

  • WillWill

    @Processaurus said:
    It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.

    You might try a little harder. Not that he's my cup of tea but I think the guy is absurdly talented. Gifted even. Not as gifted as he thinks he is, but gifted! Sometimes off in left field but so occasionally were Eno, Hendrix, Bowie, [insert generally respected artist name here]. Of course, if you don't like sample based music, the chasm may be too far to cross and he might not be the best candidate as a bridge. :)

  • Rich303Rich303

  • Igneous1Igneous1

    @Jocphone
    Ta for posting that. Coming from that part of the country I can attest that people really do talk like that !
    As for this Kanye geezer, of course he hasn't killed music or anything, he's just an over-rated artist lapped up by a lazy music press.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @Igneous1 said:
    @Jocphone
    Ta for posting that. Coming from that part of the country I can attest that people really do talk like that !
    As for this Kanye geezer, of course he hasn't killed music or anything, he's just an over-rated artist lapped up by a lazy music press.

    I have little to no interest in Kanye West. He does things that a lot of people enjoy, just not my kind of thing generally. I posted this because I thought it touched on some interesting concepts around creating music and our ideas of the permanence or otherwise of a song/recording.

    Curious though. From which part of what country do people sound like what? Do you mean talking like Kanye?

  • Igneous1Igneous1

    @jocphone,

    I agree, it is an interesting concept.
    The bra men hail from Teesside.

  • JocphoneJocphone

    @Igneous1 said:
    @jocphone,

    I agree, it is an interesting concept.
    The bra men hail from Teesside.

    Ha ha! Such confusion! And I thought Kanye was American :wink:

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited February 2016

    I really do think the Album will live forever.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @syrupcore said:

    @Processaurus said:
    It's kind of weird once you sell your album, and then keep changing it. Kind of like if a painter were to keep going back to someone's house to "fix" a painting they sold them. If, presumably, you liked it well enough to buy it, you'd eventually want to strangle them for continuing to mess with it.

    You might try a little harder. Not that he's my cup of tea but I think the guy is absurdly talented. Gifted even. Not as gifted as he thinks he is, but gifted! Sometimes off in left field but so occasionally were Eno, Hendrix, Bowie, [insert generally respected artist name here]. Of course, if you don't like sample based music, the chasm may be too far to cross and he might not be the best candidate as a bridge. :)

    please don't stop them this is thoroughly entertaining. I love 'hate kanye' 'hate beyonce' tirades

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited February 2016

    do you guys think kanye knows he has so much power over people who don't care about him?
    as somebody who makes hip-hop music I wish people didn't care about me as much as they don't care about him.

  • WillWill

    @kobamoto said:
    do you guys think kanye knows he has so much power over people who don't care about him?
    as somebody who makes hip-hop music I wish people didn't care about me as much as they don't care about him.

    ^ winning.

  • kobamotokobamoto
    edited February 2016

    @Nathan said:

    @pichi said:
    Kanye West killed music. I don't get his popularity.

    Nah, a pillock like that can't kill anything, least of all something as majestic and mighty as music. All he did was make some incredibly bad records, and sell them to the gullible who think it's some kind of art.

    this is getting good, now bad records aren't art.... everybody listen up, you better make good records from now on or else you can't use the A-word when referring to your music. :D

  • WillWill

    For the unconverted I'd suggest starting with his production work from long ago. Then, consider him as the Ricky Gervais of Hip Hop and see if that helps you hear what a jillion other people hear.

  • kobamotokobamoto

    more of a Willie Nelson man myself, I just can't fathom how someone with such reported lack of talent can be a catalyst for so much angst? I guess I've just never heard anyone break it down as to why he isn't an artist.

  • MusicInclusiveMusicInclusive

    Wait, so, this chap Kayne somebody produces music? Do I have that right?

    (Never heard anything by him, at least, not deliberately so I'm going on the comments of others here)

    I guess I should crawl out from under my rock more often... :smiley:

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    http://9to5mac.com/2016/03/02/kanye-west-plug-in-pirate/

  • DhamDham

    Lol, last week he was threatening to sue Piratebay, now an ill-advised, unedited screen-capture Tweet reveals that HE is a Piratebay user! http://www.spin.com/2016/03/deadmau5-kanye-west-pirate-bay-torrent-sufjan-stevens-gotcha/

  • AndyPlanktonAndyPlankton

    What goes around comes around - :D

  • mschenkel.itmschenkel.it

    LMAO

  • TGiGTGiG

    What an ass

  • RetzilienceRetzilience

    He’s released The Life of Pablo digitally, but continues to tinker with it – much like a computer game upgrade

    I think this just cements that this a PR move for millennials.

    Not that this is a lesser kind artistic flow, but it's basically just overwriting the exclusive streaming playing source with new cuts of the material.

    Ridley Scott, da Vinci, Pollock, Trent Reznor, George Lucas, Clinic, R. Kelly and millions of artists have revisited and remodeled their own works and relaunched them in various forms and intensity.

    KW marketing team usually hit their jackpots with easily impressed people or clickbait-hungry journalists.

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