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Your Ableton Link and Inter-App Audio definitions above really help, by the way.
Hi Guys,
Am I correct in thinking that none of the currently available multi-tracking apps support Ableton Link? I've checked Steinberg/WaveMachine/IK Multimedia/Garageband/HarmonicDog/StudioMini XL/Meteor Multitrack/Sonoma. Some are saying they are 'looking into it', but nothing as of yet.
Am I missing any? All I want to do is sync some bloody vocals to my Gadget songs (DAMN YOU KORG)!!!
EDIT: BTW, I've already tried syncing using Cubasis MIDI clock. It's appalling.
AUM is a multi-track recorder and mixer (albeit with no timeline editor), that syncs to Ableton Link.
@j_liljedahl. Already got it, use it and love it - thanks!
But yes - I should have specified that I need something with a timeline editor/piano roll/hell, I'll even take a TRACKER!
Ideally I would like to be able to specify a loop point so I could work on a verse (which I can currently do with AUM) but with the option of moving into some kind of 'Song' mode, if possible.
Should mention I also bought iMPC Pro with the thought of triggering vocals from the pads, but it just totally freaks out when I use it with Gadget (Gadget just makes a weird high-pitched noise).
You could export your mix into Cubasis, work on your vocal track within Cubasis, export the finished vocal track and then use AUM with Link to Gadget and use an AUM file player to play back your vocal, assuming you still want to playback track in it's entirety from Gadget directly, if not just stick with the audio in cubasis.
No, any IAA node can respond to and use the transport/sync from the host. Instrument vs generator only relates to the MIDI data input that can be fed to the former.
Any node app that supports IAA and has some use for tempo or position should probably be supporting it, but doing so means using some poorly documented routines. That, coupled with the fact that many apps just get IAA "for free" when implementing Audiobus support, and the devs aren't necessarily aware of the extra steps needed to do IAA sync as well.
@AndyPlankton. Yes - this is an idea I have toyed with.
Where it falls down though (for me) is that with Gadget sequencing in patterns, I would have to use it in song mode as the vocal would be the length of the whole song. This if fine for a finished song but if I want to concentrate on a verse or chorus and weave some melodies in and around the vocal, I'd be waiting for the whole song to repeat before I got to a particular section...
THAT SAID (thinking as I'm typing here), I COULD use your idea and record a full vocal in Cubasis, then chop them into the verse 1, verse 2, chorus, etc - load them into separate looping tracks in AUM and just solo certain vocals as and when I need to! Hmm. Not the prettiest solution, but may just tide me over until Korg give us audio tracks or Steinberg adopt LINK.
Cheers!
You could also record verse and chorus as separate recordings in AUM directly, or use AudioShare to trim a full recording into parts, and then have them on separate file players in AUM (or switch files in a single file player if you don't need to do it very often).
Anyway, it got me thinking about having a main cycle-mode in AUM (not related to looping file players), that cycles the actual transport clock. So you could set it to cycle beat 1 to 8, or 9 to 16, etc.. Maybe something like this will come in a future update, but it's now in my extremely huge list of notes
You're welcome, it is difficult to know what to suggest without knowing your exact process, but glad to have inspired you to find a solution.
If you want 'prettier' loop triggering solution you could look at LP5 which supports link and is free I believe
THAT would be extraordinarily handy!
Thanks Andy. I somehow missed LP5 - I will take a look.
What would make this feature really handy is if when recording in this mode it did stacked recording, so each iteration of the cycle gave a separate file in audioshare, you could then record a bunch of cycles and pick your best one
(or switch files in a single file player if you don't need to do it very often).
If you allowed for multiple files in the file player in a single track (say, a folder of files in AudioShare), you could open up a MIDI pad launcher UI where the keyboard slides out currently... LP-5 works for me for now but it is always a screen away and doesn't allow me to adjust levels of other tracks easily in a chaotic live situation.
This is exactly the problem! Apple has poorly documented routines!! Developers can't easily do what they need to do to support IAA Instruments. I suspect the same with the new AU technology.
The file player in AUM is streaming from disk, to be able to play long files, and is not really suitable for rapid triggering etc. Also I think this goes too much beyond the idea with AUM. However, it would make a great AU extension! Then no need to switch screens either
Yes, an AU extension would be perfect! I wonder if LP-5 could be configured as an AU extension?
@AndyPlankton > What would make this feature really handy is if when recording in this mode it did stacked recording, so each iteration of the cycle gave a separate file in audioshare, you could then record a bunch of cycles and pick your best one
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Thanks to your question, I figured out AUM does this already in a fairly elegant way using AUM and AB together. By toggling AUM's record button in the AB panel while using an AUM channel's record-enabled synth, for example, each take is sent into the "AUM Recordings" folder in AudioShare, ordered by channelname>bpm>00take#. You can review them in AUM before jumping over into AS, too. Lovely.
As for beat cycling, until Jlil comes up with something clever, I'll just loop a part in whatever other app I'm recording over, if possible, and am resigned to having to line up timing in a DAW later on.
I need to neglect my family more, or I'll never get all this figured out.