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Everyone recommends the Sound on Sound series, but while it's an interesting read, it's incredibly technical and complicated in many places (I haven't read much Maths since I left school!) and doesn't really get to the practicalities of sound design in the way that something like Syntorial does, IMO. It doesn't fill you with the thought that synthesis isn't that complicated - quite the opposite.
That must be why I could never read it for more than two or three minutes.
BTW Logic's documentation contains a brief chapter explaining how subtractive synthesizers work: https://documentation.apple.com/en/logicstudio/instruments/index.html#chapter=A§ion=3
These are pretty good, and quite cheap.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=how+to+make+a+noise
Yep. And Simon Cann has visited us:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/5019/simon-cann-free-patches
It really doesn't matter if you know what you are doing or not, all that matters is what comes out of the speaker when you twiddle the knobs, and even then, it only matters that you like it and more importantly are having FUN doing it
If you really want to get to the guts of synthesis, you could do a lot worse than watching this. It is 2hours long though, and you have to ignore the bouffant hair and moustache
And for music theory - This link is one of hundreds of videos on her channel.
Part 1
and Part 2
Agree. Knowledge can help but it can also become a restricting factor too
synthesis is half and half I think
the first half is knowing what you are doing in theory,
(but that doesn't take you anywhere nice)
without having an ear for sound and a lucky hand optimizing it and experience.
I think most tutorials are pretty boring,
they tell you the basic stuff, but they never reach the point where it gets interesting. The older the tutorials are the worse they are.
Like they used synthesis to recreate the sounds of physical instruments, thats so boring ...
I remember when I got my first synthesizer and how frustrated I was 25 years ago when I had tried out all these patches that came with the patchsheets, they were so boring & horrible sounding, I wanted to do techno & ambient and not pianos, brass sounds and you know the awful stuff that came with synths in the 80s ...
to me it seams like the tutorials never use multiple ideas at once, like the basic idea is this standard thing but then I use this and this theory on top and thats what makes it sound interesting to begin with ...
So I guess what I am saying is these tutorials are to basic and they do not teach you how to get creative.
Its a little like cooking I guess. You can pick up a complex recipe from a cookbook but that doesn't mean your meals taste better now because you followed the rules ...
Thomas Dolby should expand his Synthesis series that he started on Sesame Street
It is the breaking or bending the rules that makes something creative I think. If they could teach it to you it would become a rule and therefore no longer creative
I remember watching the cosby show as a kid with stevie wonder showing of sampling,
b-b-b-b-baby
lol, I found it
thx youtube
I quite like those first three verses, then chorus and middle eight at the end, that you’ve just written. Should be a hit.
Something tells me Dr. Huxtable has something else to deliver to the young woman he's about to meet!
My first synth was a Juno 60, it taught you itself just by playing with every switch and fader.
Rewritten this line so many times I've realised how special it was and I can't find the words.
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There is good reason for you to be convinced..........
These famous words from Genesis are a misleading translation from the Greek Logos
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" really translates as
"In the beginning was the (sound) Wave and the (sound) Wave was with God and the (sound) wave was
God"
We should look to the Egyptian antecessors and in particular The Egyptian Book of the Coming Forth by Day
"I am the Eternal ... I am that which created the Word ...I am the Word ..."
In ancient Egypt, the words of Ptah (God) revealed through Tehuti-Thoth (the Egyptian Logos, the{short description of image} Egyptian Scribe, equivalent to Hermes or Mercury), became the things and creatures of this world, i.e. the "words," meaning "sound waves" of the Creator, created the elements of the universe. "The world itself came into existence through the utterance of a word by Thoth
http://www.theancientsacredmysteries.com/egyptian_logos_the_word.htm
Very erudite (and interesting) Mister @zeropoint, thank you.
+1 Indeed. I always suspected that translation was closer to the truth.
I read an interesting book by Madame Blavatsky called "Isis Unveiled" last Summer. Isis as in the Egyptian. It would be difficult to give the gist of that book in just a few sentences... but it claims that most of the mystic knowledge came from or borrowed from the Egyptians. And, that the Egyptians borrowed their knowledge from a people who came before them (can't recall who the Egyptians borrowed from)
Much of the abstract ideas regarding the nature of reality and how this all has come to be, related to sound waves.
There was a lot of reference to sound and frequency throughout the book as she goes through the origins of ancient knowledge.
"Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, published in 1877, is a book of esoteric philosophy and Helena Petrovna Blavatsky's first major work and a key text in her Theosophical movement."
This is a thought of mine about human kind, natural selection and a few other things:
The humankind differs from all the other animals for the ability of creating culture also known as history and tradition along with the chance of transmitting those knowledges through generations. These things could be considered as a condensed way to experience the world instead of trail and error and a little bit of luck and genetic evolution. Which enable human race to evolve logarithmically in place of a "more natural" linear fashion.
And all of this is possible because human race was able to first code sound into language and then language into writing which made knowledge sharing trough generations even easier and with a way longer lifespan.(and here we should worry about digitalization of knowledge: what would happen to our culture if something fries all the digital storages in the world?)
So I'm someway disagreeing on the interpretation of the Old Testament where Word is replaced with sound: there is no logic/logos in sound while there is in words, acknowledging that there is no word without sound. Human kind has been fighting nature, defying nature's own rules since dawn of ages, first with language, then with words and using these tools to generate God and gods as the platonic concept of man/mankind opposed to Nature, as a claim of men to rule planet earth no matter what nature did.
Have to disagree on this point:
while it could be true when you think at "music" as that which has been transmitted to us(aka learned music)music has always been much more of a popular thing. Before the advent of recording and it's medium there always was the chance and the habit to listen and create music; just think to singed services, Greek comedias, traveling bards, traditional songs of every kind and so on.
With recording techniques, radios, vyinls up to digital streaming the need to have someone around actually playing music if you wanted to hear that was replaced by those mediums.
@Nathan has a point when it comes to electronic music though. Most electronic musical instruments were financially out of reach for many. Just look at how much cheaper you can pick up a guitar, fx and amp these days. Early synths were mostly out of reach and only available to access in costly learning establishments.
FX units cost an arm and a leg.....recording was on a hire only basis unless your family was mega rich
My first home studio cost about £15000 and did way less than my iPad and apps can do
Lessons and tuition are also easier and less costly then they once were.
You can learn a ton of stuff on Youtube. Free guitar lessons, piano lessons, mixing lessons, it's all there.
Good point. Now we have the Internet and much easier than learning from a library book for some. I know I learn better with visual aids.
I remember using sound program lists from magazines. Having to program each parameter in individually and it sounding no where near what you expected
Karen Ramirez in the videos I posted before talks of a time as a trained musician where she couldn't play anything without having the music in front of her, she is past that now and felt really liberated when she could. I wonder how many other musicians there are who are like record players, i.e they can only play what is in front of them ?
It just goes to prove that being adept at a particular skill does not equate to being able to be creative with it, You can be taught how to use tools in a 'normal' way but the ability to create comes from within, I don't think it is something that can be taught, apart from encouragement to mess around with your medium and see what happens
This is another benefit of software emulations, with software it is only numbers behind the scenes, you cannot break anything really, well you might blow a speaker or two if you really put your mind to it
I would be far less willing to experiment so freely if I were in front of a real modular synth where proper voltages are involved
They are definitely putting the tools into more hands than would otherwise be possible
Well, bards were a small minority because they weren't just playing music but also story tellers, as the aedis(?) in Greece. Music making hasn't been and won't ever be for every one but still is for many/most because making music is not restricted to "official" instruments and rules otherwise there won't ever be nothing as 'electronic music', rock and roll with its electric instruments and naive arrangings, when compared to classical music.
If we had stuck on Plato thoughts we should not play any but Dorian mode because is the only mode which inject into the listener ethical feelings.
If we had no Bach and his well tempered scale we probably will still have keyboards with different keys for flat and sharp(and such a genius of counterpoint which actually didn't really exist before him).
And anyway almost every great classical composer had hand full of folk music in his composition: just think at how many marches, rondos, waltz, sonatas, and actually almost any genre were some kind of spin of folk music, which existed well before any great composer.
It is a chain. There is no today without yesterday and both live in a perfect harmony.
And moreover, there are also plenty of musicians which will be praised as we praise Bach and Chopin and Mozart and many others by the time we will just remember the music of those great maestros without their name, which is actually how folk music born.
The artist as synthesist.
It does surprise me that so many people, making music on iOS, don't understand substractive synthesis.
I was lucky enough to learn on some early, and quite crude, analogue synths and gained a good understanding of what the different circuits were able to achieve. This feeling was brought back to me when I was doodling around with a Korg ARP Odyssey in a shop the other day. The one knob per function interface is a very rewarding and expressive interface.
If you want to learn about subtractive synths, go and buy a real one, with knobs! Then live with it for a few months.
AB Forum just became the place to go when you get writers block
Better still, get a synth with no memories and a wysiwyg knob setup.
I learned the basics of subtractive synthesis on a Juno-60, but I really got it down when I got an Oberheim Matrix-6. No knobs, a small LED screen and a modulation matrix. It forced me to think about what I was doing and it offered seemingly endless possibilities. When I got the much knobbed Waldorf XTk I had no trouble getting the hang of wave table synthesis because I fully understood modulation sources and could apply them to the wave tables.