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I'm not exactly sure how sales drive the rankings within the music section of the app store. I have an association with an indie developer (revenue sharing) so am privy to the actual sales numbers through iTunes Connect. When the sales perk up, for whatever reason, I am always surprised when modest sales numbers have such a dramatic effect on the ranking for paid apps.
Another trend to watch is the rate of descent for a give app. When an app is not selling it can drift down on the top 500 list at the rate of 20-25 per day. At one time it was more like 50-60 per day. I sometimes wonder if that means the total music app sales on any given store is about the same number. That would indicate that the entire sales for all music apps are pretty marginal at best.
Perhaps actual developers can share some insight on this.
I like to view the monetary value of an app as a personal measurement for each individual. If you use it a lot, it's a bargain. If you don't use it, it was a rip off. But the individual is usually responsible for whether it's a bargain or rip off.
The first time I saw this analogy was when I was looking to buy a kayak. A $200 inflatable kayak that gets used twice is a rip off compared to a $1000 kayak that gets used 50 times. One of these days, I need to put that inflatable on Craigslist.
There are a lot of apps that require some devotion from the user in order to reach bargain status (which on iOS is ridiculously cheap). You can't extract maximum value out of Auria Pro if you don't understand sidechains and routing and compression and the list goes on. But if you're skilled in the recording process, then Garageband just isn't going to cut it. If you don't have the skills or time, you're not going to experience what the "cult" does.
Personally, I've only touched the tip of the iceberg on almost all my music apps, but the fault is clearly mine, not the apps. It would be cool if you weren't allowed to complain about an app's value until after spending hours using it (with the exception of when it plain doesn't work the way it's supposed to).
Personally I just want to see everyone succeed. It's normal for users to have different preferences, everyone has a different way of working, different genre of music, different aim with their music. To cater for all that there needs to be a wide range of apps, for all different tastes. There's plenty of apps that are not to my taste (electrify NXT, modstep, even the much lauded fugue machine etc), but I still want them to do well because a thriving iOS music scene will benefit all of us.
There is also a huge amount of innovation on this platform, and it's a shame that it doesn't seem to be getting traction in the wider music world. Many people still think it's a playground rather than a serious platform. Mind you, it took a while for mixing in the box to become widespread, maybe iOS will go through a similar evolution.
That would be cool, if app reviews was weighted by time spent in the app, unless the app crashed.
I think Apple may change things for our market in the next few years. I sense a change coming with the possibility of splitting the iPad range into the following:
Pro range. Higher spec range. Better sound spec. Higher processor and more ram. Pencil and keyboard. Large and standard size.
iPad / Air range. Lower spec range. Design over power. Lower price to help the curb slow down of iPad sales for those that play Angry Birds and online date
standard and mini size.
This could have positives and negatives to the smaller market segments such as music making apps.
It's hard for people to keep the emotions out of it, and that includes those who want to stop the discussion altogether. But how is the "AppStore Economy" relevant to a forum about music making without talking about how iOS music apps are effected? WaveMachine Labs may be a very different case than Pixite, but it's still a high profile example here to illustrate a problem in the system. Someone says they like the "new app" approach, someone disagrees. So if someone really doesn't like something about how a process works, and has arguments to support a better way, then why shouldn't it be discussed "politely?"
Thanks for the taking the time to respond. I hope you'll continue to post whatever you think is relevant to a discussion.
So @Nathan decided that, since invest $40 for getting the pro version of Auria was way to much, he would better served by fork $50 in Cubasis, which is less capable than Auria in every possible way. What?!
No, wait: I'm not wanting to attack Nathan's choices here. I seek understanding. Call me an "Auria Fan Boy" if you will, but the logic of getting disappointed with a given price tag and then invest 20% more in an inferior product eludes me
Only as far as any high end tablet is a cut down laptop. Yes lines are blurred, but still many differences between most laptops and most tablets, not least the noise most laptops make
Love the way that opinions are stated as facts.
Auria plus the plugins may be more capable than cubasis but there's little to choose between the base versions of each other than personal preference as far as I can see.
Personally I open Cubasis more than I open Auria Pro because I find its workflow simpler.
True. Hopefully the Pro range will remain 32gb minimum and we will eventually see a 256gb and 512gb. Also an end to having to be the thinnest. I would sooner have my iPad a few more mills thick with better battery life, but I digress, probably off topic by now
Regarding to the app store economy.... it is the reason why we don´t see more of the huge companies on board yet or why they only have a few small "entree" apps there.
But what would happen now if they would offer their full products as iOS version (when possible one day).
What is when i could buy Komplete Ultimate for iOS. I pay a good amount of money yes but i would never need any other iOS app again and the sum of all what you get is (beside Logic and Mainstage) the best value you can get in the music world.... including iOS.
Or even worse when Apple would release Mainstage iOS for 29€ too. Such an amount of tools would kill of nearly the need of all other existing iOS apps at the moment they would release it. That would mainly hit the independent developers i think.
Sure we die hard followers would buy here and there an app to support our beloved developers but we should not forget that the majority of buyers are the silent ones (and maybe create more music since they don´t waste time to post half day in forums....like me too).
Now i ask me again...... is it good when the app store economy will change too much?
I´m confused
Both Cubasis and Auria have their pros and cons, but maybe that's a discussion for another thread?
Or add that to the other 100 which already exist
Wtf?You are kidding me?I wrote"can't or WON'T afford".I couldn't care less about your financial situation,really.But IF you like to quote me,do it correct or just let be.And about your"politeness:"should i really search for the quotes where you called developer"greedy"and others"auria fanboys"etc?Not hard to find,coded into the AUM thread.
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I have tried and tried with Auria. For me, I think it is that alot is so small. I am 6'4 240lbs, those little little buttons and knobs on Auria are rough. Forget about the Fab synths - I feel like Ray Charles with the settings.
App Store Economy?
Well, I think it would behoove all to indicate what facet of the "app store" economy we are talking?
The app store itself?
The app companies?
The app developers? Which are or aren't the same as a company in retrospect.
The app customers?
As usual, it is the multiple view points and perspective that have devolved the discussion into the perils of ignorance and frustration. It is also human nature that people or generations feel that the era they are living is the most important or historic. This is true for everyone. Hence, I think age and wisdom make this discussion a virtual minefield. Other factors are also knowledge, education, and experience. I know- common sense, right?
I think it people who lack real world experience or people who are on the "younger" side think that the "app economy" and "ios" music are more revolutionary than they think. Hello, VSTs? Record players? Guitars? Keyboards? Karaoke machines? IOS is just the newest incarnate.
The "app store" economy is different than any other economy. Same things determine what happens and how it works. That is the irony of the conflict over Auria. That is actually the clearest answer to the the original aim of this thread. Market forces, supply, and demand ultimately decide what happens with the "app store" economy.
Also, the "app store" economy is really nothing more than the replacement of supplement for PC /MAC music creation methods. There may be some bumps in some commercial apps like Figure, but, for the most part we are all in the IOS cult. It is a dedicated but not massive market in the scheme of things.
The factor that will actually have the greatest impact on the "app store" economy will be hardware integration. Look at Korg and the Triton cross over example. How about the IVSc3 module. Retronyms WEJ.
These things will keep coming.The future money is not "the" app store economy, but, THROUGH the app store economy. We will see greater growth of personalized midi, performance, and recording gear. This market stream was already existing, but , will benefit the most from the Music App Store economy.
As far as apps, the boom this coming year will be accessory apps that help people maximize existing apps performance and quality.
As for me, I am just happy to be part of it all.
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1) not true: Auria base version has audio to MIDI, time warping, pitch shifting, two advanced synths, ability to manage EXS libraries, 32-bit float audio engine etc etc etc.
2) fair enough: I have a friend of mine, a really nive producer, who prefer Garageband to Logic because the workflow is simpler, despite it being overall simpler and less capable. But he understand the LPX's price tag and would never, never ever accept to pay the same amount for Garageband. Which brings my whole point.
Good points.... Native Instruments did a great thing with their hard- and software integration. Hardware mapped to control easy a bunch of software tools is great and makes a lot of fun.
If you need hours to map your controller to work for you with your software it sucks and if your sofware doesn´t let you map things to real knobs it sucks too.
So would be nice if the NKS would be available for iOS too. Or there would be a similar "standard" like this.
Things will come but let´s hope it´s not like with other things in iOS ending up with 3-4 different solutions which doesn´t work proper together or each developer or company makes their own thing.
Of course everyone would like to be the first to make such a step and become a standard.
In the iOS world it seems that Korg could be what Native Instruments is in the desktop world.
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A-ha! Now we're talking! The sale price should be the full price, considering its features against the competition (not only Auria).
I'm also a huge fan of LPX and switch to it frim being a long timevPT user, to never look back.
P.S.: you don't need to sarcastically refer to Auria this way. Just say you're sorry about calling Rim greedy, and everybody will move on.
You are absolutely right. I agree that it fosters creativity in a new way.
Nice to find consensus and ability to find agreeable points.
Thanks!
I will not be surprised to see more and more boutique hardware companies and ideas of integration. I know already a number of app developers who are branching into hardware building and dabbling.
As for its pertinence to the app store economy it will will find it's place and market forces will solidify where we go next.
Thanks!
I wish I was young, more energetic, and with the current technology and many years of future promise ahead of me. It's a new world with digital, and with mobile, wireless, internet... it's incredibly impressive to a dinosaur who was around when electric guitars were all the new rage. The AppStore is also new to me, a new way of doing business, and the expectations customers have are different. How is it going to evolve? It's only natural to be involved in the present, and what we want to see in the near future. In tiny ways, each of us with a voice contributes to that direction.
I really wish i could freeze me for 500 years and see what's going on
Due to global warming you'd probably thaw in 100 years anyway
I think before that happens we have the third world war or an A.I. created from Apple takes over
Everything will change though. All the apps we’ve bought will simply not run on what’ll be around in the future. None of the software I had for my Dragon 64 is being updated any more, and you can’t believe how disillusioning that still is.
Here we go. Mr Random turns into Mr Spammer
Or...One could say.......Mr. Spammer turns on the Random posts. WTH does it even mean? lol.....
No idea, but he has been seeding the forum all day. I guess it's to see whether they have the rights to post. Maybe they will go back and edit these to all be links later. Maybe I'm just being overly sceptical..