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Nathan, maybe your dad didn't like Zepin while they were out playing but they were wildly successful then.#1.
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I'll bite, though I shouldn't. All of those people have the benefit of history. Like, entirely history. The only one still making records is Stevie Wonder and they're, um, not quite the same.
Anyway, Radiohead.
Me thinks Jack White (40) is a great musician. Minimalist sound, raw emotion, real talent... Not your average rich kid with expensive hardware
I never liked the sound of his voice or his verbal personality. Like a goofy new wave clown kids show host or something. Hey kids, hyuk nyuk hnyuk! Here's something diiiirty! Etc. I am guessing if I had all of his instrumental work though I would end up loving most of it. Been meaning to filter through it one day. A lot of his stuff sounds brilliant to me but I enjoy being fooled too.
Lol. A lot of Zappa talk here. Here's my contribution — his most beautiful 'melodic' guitar piece:
my vote goes to Sean McBride- he can make dark bach-like musical structures in real time on modular gear- where most just make bleeps and noise-
I really hate these absolute statements like:
BEST MUSICIAN UNDER 40 ON THE PLANET NO QUESTION....
Especially when they come from a stupid person that later on compares music of one of the greatest composers from 20th century to scouring mice.
That kind of a statement gives you a credit of a close minded idiot that doesn't understand anything...
My kid is 8 and likes the pop/top-40 station. To my ears, most of it is just awful but there are definitely moments of great on it. Sometimes it's clever songwriting. Sometimes it's flat out pipes. Sometimes its an incredible exercise in minimalism. Anyway, it was on for a bit today and I got to thinking about whether or not those older than 30 (arbitrary number) could really even hear/notice something great on that station. Here's why.
Think it comes down to context again. I hate Autotune with the white hot passion of 1000 suns. Can. Not. Stand. It. As a consequence, I can't listen to Lil Wayne for more than a song. Crazy making. Thing is, it's obvious that the guy is a) insanely talented and b) influencing a metric shit ton of young musicians. So, a year from now I might hear the next version of [insert favorite insanely great band here] but, particularly if they're young, they're likely influenced to some extent or other by Lil Wayne and it might just rub me the wrong way. No great music! I'm only using Lil Wayne as an example here, in case that's not obvious.
After cratering on this for a while in my head while doing yard work, I remembered that my father thought Elvis was a talentless shithead thief. And then it made total sense why he didn't like the stones and zeppelin etc; that music could not have existed without Elvis' influence.
We're old and we're doomed. I'm totally fine with it. There's an impossible amount of great music out there these days.
@soundklinik Probably could have made you point without the personal attack, eh?
The prodigy, chemical brothers.
With their releases in the late '90(the fat of the land,'96, and surrender,'99) set a milestone and a reference for all the elctronic dance music(I intentionally avoided the EDM which is easy misunderstood these days)which came after those.
Actually the whole electronic dance music world has so many maestros you can't count them and that is also a matter of the times we are living in, which compared to 30/40 years ago, need a different approach to analyze who was/is/will be a "Great Artist". Now there are so many indie sources(self produced music, netlabels, soundcloud, band camp, youtube etc) which make the comparison between past and present personalities completely senseless; the industry has changed so much that now a 15yo boy could get a stellar success out of nothing/lucky shot on soundcloud(aka Martin Garrix) or wait till your late 30s and become a star well overtime in respect of industry standards(aka deadmau5). The majors, which at the time saw the business in scouting musical talents and then invested on them through their almost entire life trying to achieve the PopStar status, right now are waiting for the net to do a first check, first filtering of the music being published, reducing at no cost the risk factor.
Since Radiohead have grey hair, that's kinda cheating. Here are some more modern horses I might bet on. Only time will tell if they'll be regarded like the greats mentioned in this thread but I reckon they are all doing good innovative music today. And not innovative in an underground vacuum: they're all selling enough records to make a living at least. Some are doing quite well
Tame Impala
Janelle Monáe (and her whole collective, really)
Wild Nothing
Deerhunter
Beach House
Mac Demarco
Kendrick Lamar
Arcade Fire
Sufjan Stevens
Chance the Rapper
Arca
Joanna Newsom
Grimes (no shame involved!)
Mogwai
Gillian Welch
Chris Whitley (RIP)
Cassandra Wilson
Joanna Newsome
Fat White Family
Just because you don't know nor consider electronic dance music, mostly because you don't know or you don't want to know it better, it doesn't mean it isn't the hot deal right now and actually since late '90. I completely agree that the rock scene is stale since some decade.
And those you've mentioned have from 20 to 40 years of stardom on their resume; so we will see in 20-40 years which was their impact on music.
I think Band of Skulls have enormous potential and are quite an accomplished and talented trio, based on their first three albums. Folk compare them to other "roots rock" acts like the Black Keys and White Stripes, but personally, I don't see it.
I think BOS have their own unique groove going. And I suspect they're all less than 40 years young. I suppose time will tell ....
in regards to EDM and 'techno' (as my friends called most of it in the 80s and 90s, heh even EBM made a showing) it seems so much of the influence is in the technology itself which is far more faceless. I love and listen to a lot of it and in the end it seems the creative meshing of tools often wins out over pure musicianship (ie. Playing an instrument). I love the Sean McBride video but for me composition, live plate spinning, creative agility... I don't know what to call it (and I certainly would not drop the DJ word as that implies playing other peoples music) but it is a different beast.
it is like in video game development where I spend most of my time. There are a lot of people who fit under the 'artist' umbrella who could not draW beyond the level of an average high schooler but they are legit artists in their own craft.
Anyway, I do agree with folks that the new vaccuum of music technology creativity is likely where a huge mass of the one day revered influential geniuses are at the moment. there is so much of it that it is hard to place bets on who will be revered but I could easily bang off a list of a dozen or so music artists that to me are molding the future of music. The biggest question for me is would I call them a musician? ...or is there a better word... Or who cares? Something tells me they don't and that is the breakthrough that enables them To be who they are. Welcome to their future.
This thread is so, so stupid...
Then please enlighten it.
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Wouldn't beat yourself up over it dude .... I seriously doubt in 50 years time, lil wayne et al will be remembered like the Beatles, elvis, Hendrix ;-) but you loose serious points (from me) with your mention of radio head
I hate lil Wayne and the likes as much as you but I hate radiohad even more. They really do grate on me
Double post
Daft Punk just turned 40 not so long ago, but I think it might not be that ridiculous compared to the Beatles ?
Bjork, Depeche mode, Radiohead, Muse (about people with a carrer compared to Bowie's) and I think also to dozen talented other artists while I'm writing this post...
Doug Stanhope said something to the effect of, 'Being the greatest country in the world is like being the prettiest Denny's waitress'. Kind of how I feel about Elvis and Hendrix to be honest. People put the Beatles up there with Bach? Haha. Their biggest fans were screaming elementary students and then they made show tunes and tea adverts while on acid.
You know the greatest statement on technology's impact on art in the 80s was The Transformers? That is only because The Gobots sucked so bad.
PS. I love Elvis and Hendrix etc but they are no better than GI Joe was to me... And that is because Action Man was a pretentious git.
@audiogus ,
Lego kill them all !
Modular ftw!
These guys are great
Sigh. My point, missed entirely.
@crony That's what I'm talking about! That Phoenix song was all over the top 40 station not long ago. I always dug it and had no idea they looked like The Replacements.
Howabout Nerve?
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