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Missing pieces of mobile music puzzle.
@Judochopjames said:
It really amazes me that after all this time so many people just want an intuitive system to combine midi and audio from different apps and build it into songs and every developer keeps coming up just short of this goal.
I think Judochopjames have a point here.
How long till we see on the app store what seems to be what a lot of people are looking for:
-an Audio and Midi clip recorder/editor/launcher + effect through IAA and audiobus, period. (à la Ableton Live for iOS)
I tend to wish that one of the current available apps will have a miraculous update/upgrade or a version X that would either come with a complete solution, or what would be imho an hypothetically important piece of the puzzle, such as:
-Any DAWS, such as BM2, Cubasis, Auria, etc, with a clip launching view like what Garageband have lately integrate. (I have Garageband and hate it for its sluggish workflow useless animation between views and lack of connectivity with Audiobus, )
-Mod step with audio clip recording/editing,
-AUM with a "stackable" audio clip,
-Loopy with more than 12 slots and clip editor,
-LP-5 with a record and edit option,
-All of the above and every freakin music app with a common loop file folder such as AUM and Audioshare.
-Takete 2, improved, deepened.
-Many more that does not come to my mind a the moment so, etc, etc, etc...
I know that a lot can be done with the plethora of apps currently available and I am grateful for all the genius that have been put in them, but human nature being what it is, I anticipate and dream.
Anyone knows what is coming next? What would you like to see next?
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I think it's more or less all here now. We just need it all to work properly together and a bit more focus on music production from iOS, itself but it's slowly getting more that way.
I have found that it is about several core apps.
They have things in common.
They are older. Therefore, stable.
They also have a recorder or sampler in them(even if a synth)
That is huge for maximizing functionality.
At first I thought I was painting myself in a corner, instead I find myself easy to get going and do more than the time I would spend sleepin' around that session with every new app and fad option that led me to wasted time.
Animoog
Loopy.
Addictive Synth.(occasionally MODULE or MITO)
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Always there no matter what almost.
Only change is I work in DRC now.
I also have a pretty deep Animoog preset library that is righteous to say the least.
Its probably been said for the last 5 years but id say this has been waiting on Apple, AU support is finally here and the power of the hardware is the best its ever been.
If say Korg Gadget opened herself up to AU fx's and synths etc which saved their state with the project and then implemented audio clips similar to Ableton it would be close to perfection for me.
Someone could bring out the best hyperdine mega brain sync interface and someone would still moan that it was too expensive at £14
I still find my oldest "simplest" app to be the best. ThumbJam, NanoStudio, BeatMaker2. A few new ones like Mitosynth.
A simple 5 tool setup.... that's it for me!
That is the kind of apps which works great for me.
Too complex DAW's, Routings, FX and synth which uses tons of features and CPU/RAM are just not the right thing. I gave up to search for this in iOS because it makes no sense.
NanoStudio 2 is the thing i'm waiting for to create stems or ideas for further work in bigger DAW's but an Abelton or so on iOS won't work for me.
In some years it might be there and there is no much different but then we have to connect extern monitors to work with those "desktop" tools.
I rather prefer those great multi-touch tools for what they are..... live performance, new ways to interact with music creation.
In a near future i just might need ThumbJam NanoStudio 2, BeatMaker 3, Mitosynth and Animoog
So many apps and tools, many do the same things.
I don't think there is much more mobile music can/could do, even with the fastest CPU and biggest RAM!
There is even no time to build a standard in iOS since it's moving too fast.
I still like iOS of course but the whole music creation on it didn't evolve really for me in the last years.... it even felt back to an overcomplicated tool which it shouldn't because it was meant to be a plug'n play thing!
So apps like NanoStudio, Beatmaker, ThumbJam and now Gadget etc. are still the way to go for iOS.
I want to build a custom chassis where i can fit in a notebook 2 smartphones and maybe a holder for a tablet. All should be connected.... that's my little dream
Link was a large missing piece
What's next is simple
iOS 10 and audiobus 3
We're doing this with Audiobus 3.
@Sebastian can you elaborate on what you mean by 'this'?
Tease me, please.
Combining Audio and Midi....maybe.
But AUM already can do....
I just did. But if you want to be teased some more, think about all the things I've always said that aren't working with MIDI routing and how it's terrible right now, because nobody's standardising it. We're tackling this and we're involving people who already have built apps that rely heavily on MIDI routing.
Nice
U know all the yadda yadda
Guess I'll buy a Bluetooth controller , lol
Try and use a MIDI controlling app that controls a synth and get GarageBand to not play the notes of the MIDI controller as well. Apps that listen to everything like GarageBand will always turn MIDI routing into something that is very frustrating. And then they also require users to understand how to route and how to split and all of that kind of jazz. That's what we're going to fix.
Then Apple will bring out their own and make you alter yours
JG settles back to wait out this long winter of our discontent by humming 'AB3' like some reverse beetlejuice etc
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That's always a possibility. And we'll deal with it in case that happens, just like we always did in the past.
EDIT: Actually, nah, probably not going to happen. We're not doing anything fancy or problematic. It's MIDI, Apple won't break it.
Sounds good! Standards are really needed here!
There is a reason why it works on desktop land since years.
.....pssst....don't forget things like MPE.
So my dirty trick to get a hint worked......
Thank's. Sound interesting!
^^
No one pays attention to me, boohoo
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/12529/do-not-pay-attention-to-the-man-behind-the-curtain
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....one more thing.... we introduce the new amazing midi 2.0!
Not really. Midi is an old thing and several times it was discussed as dated and not versatile and what's next etc. But it's still there and tons of hardware and software breath it. Things like multi channel, polyphonic aftertouch, MPE midi take this further.
Midi is like a better DOS
That took me to a (stupid?) question to any expert here.
I tryed and failed to do a kind of layered midi routing. So i´m not sure if this is even possible on one device (computer or idevice).
Not sure if i can explain it....so i try......
I have a masterkeyboard or app which control the first layer of midi output (16 channels) in a kind of MPE style. So each note plays a different channel to trigger intruments.... so far so good. But now i would like to add more layers.
Means i play my masterkeyboard which sends out different midi notes on different midi channels, now it should trigger f.e. on channel 1-3 an instrument, 4-6 another and on 7-16 it triggers another midi generator which works the same. This midi generator should trigger via all 16 channels other instruments whithout trigger the first layer i mentioned and so on....with one output!
Makes sense? No?..... forget it then! Still sick and brainwashed lol!
This is great to hear! The other big pain point you've said in the past that you will tackle with AB3 is the "change song/session/title in one place" issue.
I dream of a day that I can press a program change button when I'm playing live and everything moves to the next session. Current state AB gets close with state saving, etc but I still find myself laboriously changing each song in AB, Loopy, etc.
First world problems, I know... And the fact that the ecosystem is so loosely integrated leads to much of the innovation, I suspect. I still find all this stuff slightly magical when I fire up the iPad. But any chance you guys are still going to work on a standard for program changes in AB3?
Think the part I was hoping to hear more on was the 'song' part of it. AB seems focused on creating instrument chains/setups, and it's great at it, but I think the OP is really talking about capturing and arranging audio and MIDI into songs.
Again, I think this already exists in several forms on iOS but I reckon lots and lots of us are wanting something more like Ableton.
Songs are not so hard to come up with
Most of it is somekind of ABAB pattern
I hope ableton is not asleep on the wheel, for years nothing happened. Now they saved the situation with link but they still don't sell any iOS softwarRe.
You don't do that if you are not interested?!?
I'm ready for more pleasant surprises from ableton
Push 2 and an iPad Pro with live touch oh la la
All we really wanna do is make music. Which means organizing sounds. Performing and recording and arranging with a wide palette of sounds. how would you like the ability record and sequence your parts and design your sounds simultaneously without ever stopping the music? It's possible and I have a solution. Unfortunately I have no money to invest and no coding skills. Any developers wanna hire me as a pure interface idea man? Lol
Well then, I'd call that a significant statement by Sebastian, good news, ab 3, yeah (:
Anticipating what midiSequencer and SecretBaseDesign are preparing ...
Wouldn't this be handled by a DAW like Auria, etc?