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ModStep + AUM vs ModStep + Gadget
It's been a funny week.
AUM getting a great update encouraged me to buy it and get excited about a 'live' sequencing and modulation set up using two iPads (ModStep on one and AUM on the other) - plus AB remote on my iPhone. Allowing neat, live, Link-synced, sequencing and modulation of multiple AU apps and other apps.
Nice idea but sadly I ran into problems with AUs having audio glitches, a crash or two and generally quite a lot of set up time.
I'd like this to work because I love the idea of live synced jamming with apps like Viking, iSem, Animoog and Drum apps - not to mention some great IAA effects. But to be honest it felt like I was pushing things too hard and the hardware/software was struggling.
Cut to today, with the new release of Gadget with full multichannel/track midi.
Wow...
It just works.
ModStep on my iPad mini
Gadget on my iPad Air
I had 3 tracks running with no problems (didn't get time to try any more but it felt like many more would be possible)
Link keeping everything in sync
And I even then tried using bluetooth midi from my iPhone running midi designer pro to give me an extra modulation control surface and that works too
Had things sequencing and modulating nicely for over an hour with no crashes. In fact no crashes at all during about 3 hours of messing.
One of the great things is that only 2 apps (3 if you want to add midi designer pro) are needed and you can achieve many tracks of 'live' tweakable sequencing and automation.
Next thing might be to just add Animoog into the equation too (or maybe Mersenne) since they are synths I find hard to replicate with Gadget.
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Here's pics from the two different set ups
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 You're so far ahead of me here on this, but I look forward to watch/hear what you make with all this incestuous jiggery pokery.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 What is the black device connecting the two iPads between (i guess) two CCK's ?
Thanks @JohnnyGoodyear - I'm channelling my geek again, I know. But honestly, ModStep into multiple gadgets is quite easy and adds quite to bit to live jamming with Gadget.
@DeVlaeminck
The device is this: http://compasflamenco.com/midi-usbusb-p-4.html?language=en
And is discussed here:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/7656/send-midi-between-ipad-and-mac-directly-by-usb
It basically lets you send midi pretty efficiently between 2 iOS devices (as long as you own 2 ccks). Can also be used with computers (USB).
Thanks @Matt_Fletcher_2000 . Never seen that one before. Very interesting considering the new powered CCK, arriving soon to my adapter collection...
Nice write up Mf2k. Yay for back to basics. As you might imagine, I'm doing something similar with Modstep but with NS as my target app. I'm still trying to get up to speed with ModStep so I'll be glad to read more about your explorations with it. Tonight's MS revelation was I that individual patterns can be stored/recalled which is pretty neat. I made a few basic drum patterns and a set of 1/4, 1/8 and 1/16 note melodic patterns with the intent of getting going quickly in the future. Of course, I'll probably forget all about the feature the next time I open it.
Good stuff. I'm running Modstep AUM but might try through Gadget more. Would be more interested if Gadget gets multiple outs, then could run through AUM too. You shouldn't be getting glitches with only a few AUs running though, are you on 9.3?
Actually I'm on 9.1 - you think that's the reason?
@syrupcore - sounds good.
I'm aware that NS has had this capability for years
. And Gadget has just caught up.
The other nice thing I noticed about ModStep - in terms of having as many things at your fingertips as possible - is that the 'pads' as well as the 'CCs' and 'Chords' you configure for each ModStep track, can be pointed at any individual mid channel.
So you can have your bass track up in ModStep, with its patterns pointed at your bass patch and some of the CCs pointed at that patch - thus allowing you to 'play the bass'.
BUT - on that same ModStep track you could configure all the 16 'pads' to be triggering a variety of samples (which you can also beat repeat) and maybe a couple of other synth fx patches on your root note.
Same thing with the cc's. You could have the XY pad on the right actually modulating your drums, while the one on the left modulates the bass patch.
All from within that one ModStep performance page on the bass track. (And you could set the other tracks up in a similar way).
The one thing I wish you could do from that page is start and stop and switch patterns on other tracks. Can't see that's possible.
Well it's definitely helped me so far. I'm finding things really good on 9.3 except when there's a rogue IAA app in the mix. Also when using Modstep on the same device as AUM caused more glitches pre 9.3.
Ok thanks. I'll get round to updating and try again.
I played with this same setup yesterday but I was looking to use that nice feedback delay config in Aum with Auf:dib and dedalus to see if I could get some nice dub echos on hits and snares from gadget. Using IAA I got some crackles on my mini 2 so I exported perfectly chopped 4 bar loops from gadget and ran then in Aum file player. Compelety low overhead and no problems. I didnt think about using AB to avoid using IAA at the time but will do this tonight. Im still looking for that perfect Dub effect. Im thinking holding a BeatStep pad will activate it and have two knobs controlling feedback time and overdrive in aufx:dub and dedalus. I cant wait till auf effects go AU. The ipad musicians will go even madder considering the possibilities
Trying to get midi channels to work here but as far as l see its one device per track only?
In Gadget?
Do you mean that if Track 1 in Gadget is on midi channel 1 then Track 2 in Gadget cannot be on midi channel 1 too?
Possibly... haven't tried this.
Just had a quick look sequencing via Modstep.. you can assign different Gadget tracks to the same midi channel.
Anyone tried Tokyo inside Modstep? I could only sequence 2 of the 4 drums on Modstep's piano roll...
Guys need help with Cubasis midi drum patterns. I was able to send the drum midi track into Gadget Bilbao channel and it played back but it didn't sound correct. Has anyone been able to modify the kits in Bilbao to match the General Midi GM standard?
Sounds like a job for MIDI Flow.
Ha! By 'something similar' I meant 'pointing modstep at the multi-timbral app one knows best'
that's completely bad ass. Can you give us a little 1, 2, 3 on it please?
You do have the 'cursor' control which is not exactly what you seem to want but you can use it to swap the current clip you are controlling and use start/stop for other patterns in that way.
Yep, thanks Andy... It's bloody nearly what i want
- but just not quite. I want to be tweaking cc's in the current track or mashing patterns or whatever and then - bam - the drums stop dead, or the bass kicks in or whatever - on another track, at the touch of a finger. The problem is the cursor requires you move away from the current track screen (you'll lose the XY pad or the pattern grid for that track), flicking the entire screen to a new track/clip and only then can you choose to start/stop it. It's a shame you can somehow start/stop other tracks clips from the cursor pop-up while still messing with the current track clip.
Here we are. Bottom left panel on the 'pads' config page. Channel 'default' button. Just change that for each pad.
And on the cc config page it's about half way down the page on the far right. Again 'channel: default' but you can change to any channel.
I was wrong about chords though - that seems to always be for the track's default channel.
Let us know how you get on
Do the cc and pad midi channels work? Because tracks only output to one instrument and one channel. I'm confused!
Thanks very much @Matt_Fletcher_2000!
I believe setting the channel to something different for a specific pad means it overrides the track's main midi channel for that pad.
I'm talking about sending all the midi to Gadget, just via virtual midi. I'm not using Gadget as an IAA instrument or anything. But I believe a track in ModStep can send midi to more than one midi destination anyway.
Midi Control perhaps ? you can assign clips to midi notes
Yep, thanks - that would definitely work. I have a Beatstep with 16 buttons so that would allow me to trigger 16 clips.
However, because i'm awkward i was rather hoping to restrict things to 1 iPad, 1 iPad Mini and 1 iPhone - and not have to switch apps at all. I can carry all those 3 screens and a cable around in my bag every day without noticing.
I basically have this going now and it works well:
Modstep looks after notes and sequencing - and tiggering effects
MidiDesigner Pro is there to modulate different gadget's parameters at the same time (although I can also mod cc's with Modstep too)
Actually - you could argue that i don't need to waste a screen on Gadget on the Air. But I like to see what's going on, hit record etc...
I have had a crazy idea that actually I could probably have the Sidecar app up next to Gadget as a 'slideover' and the pads on Sidecar could toggle the Modstep clips, which in turn influence what's playing or not back in Gadget. Might be worth a try - but might be over complicating the set-up.
[This is all mostly the geek in me trying to see if things are possible - I doubt somehow I'll ever make any music this way, but we'll see!]
You're like me, you wanna do it just to prove you can, whether you actually need or want to LOL
and with this
you are just showing off
I'm trying to come up with a setup that allows me to use my single iPad Mini 2 and some controllers. My thinking so far is to have all loops in Launchpad - trigger these from Launchpad Controller, Then have tweakable drum loops in iSpark - And possibly buy the SparkeLE controller (currently struggling with Acoustic drums here though
), then use my MS-20 controller to control iMS-20 with Beatstyep sequencing it, but to have the LPK routed into Beatstep to let me transpose on the fly, and lastly have my Remote25 there to control whichever 'other' synth I wish to use at the time.
With this setup I should only need to touch the screen when I want to switch songs.
I'd like to use ModStep and AU's/IAA's instead of Launchpad for tweakables but I dont think my iPad Mini 2 will cope with all the processing, that's why I am aiming for Launchpad app instead. Still using Modstep to create the loops initially though.
I ain't got enough hands to operate all that, but I still want to get it set up. Just because I can
Had a lot of fun this morning running Modstep into my PC to sequence SampleTank 3, perfect VST for this with its 16 separate instrument channels. Runs much better than the iOS version
And is there really no way to get samples into Modstep besides iTunes? The menu setup in Modstep sort of throws me off and open-in from Audioshare is a no-go.
The more I read about how Modstep is a love hate relationship with the users, the more I'm tempted to get it. But holding off.