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TOO expensive !!!!
Well, I'm joking
In fact I think that even at this very low price Skram is still a sort of "toy" to me... I don't really know if I'd open two times after having downloading it... and I already have SO many apps in my "waiting for update or other fonctions" folder.
Think of it as crowdfunding
I love the potential and hope it'll become a serious tool down the line. For this reason, got on board at sale price.
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Agree with you both...
I think we'll be seeing a lot of sales this weekend due to the holiday- Tomb Sweeping Day.
Thanks for the feedback! Where do you draw the line between a toy and not-a-toy?
Hope we find a spot on your home screen soon.
I just bought it in the same spirit.
For me the question regarding toy and not-a-toy with most apps is, 'I just spent five hours using it on my commute this week, now what do I have to show for it when I am at home?'
In the case of Skram, if it had simple multitrack recording (currently only the full mix is recorded) and when I got home I had seperate audio tracks all recorded in perfect sync (with no IAA or Audiobus or Link involved) that I can then copy with itunes or audioshare to edit and polish in a DAW, then it would be far more than a toy. With that simple feature alone all I would look forward too is buying new Widgets. (no midi, no automation, no iaa, no link, no AB, no need for more than four widgets at once, no song mode etc etc, just multitrack record. Period.)
Anyway, i love the 'keep it simple' philosophy, looking forward to seeing where it all goes.
I hear you. I've personally had great fun while on vacation playing Nave and recording in the little multitrack. Thanks for the detailed feedback!
I hear you. I've had great fun while on vacation playing with Waldorf Nave, exactly for that reason. The little multitrack recorder they have is dead simple, but it gets the job done. Thanks for the detailed feedback!
@liine_nick I'm curious, not a coder so please forgive the ignorance, but why no AB/IAA and Audioshare support at launch? Seems most new apps have it these days. Is it fairly more complex & difficult that it seems?
I really don't want to have to rely on moving recordings with iTunes or email.
Yes, I know you've heard that loud and clear, but I'm more curious why it wasn't there at launch?
Really enjoying the app and looking forward to how it evolves.
cool, thanks for the reply. And just to be clear I am not really talking about a traditional 'multitrack recorder'. I have not used the one in Nave but Animoog has one and that is overkill for what I am talking about. I just mean when you hit 'multitrack record' that four streams are recorded, one for each Widget, and not just one recording. No need for overdubs, no need for editing, no need for even playback within Skram. if four streams were recorded then Skram did its job, high five! I just want to hit record and know when I hit stop that I have four files now on device, one for each widget that I was playing that I can later edit in a DAW.
Super simple and powerful which I think is in line with the apps philosophy.
In a nutshell — Everything is possible, all features are possible, it's just a matter of priority. If you want an app to have everything, it will never be released. Or let me give you a music analogy.. if you never stop tweaking the mix, you'll never release the record. But opposite from music, an app can always be updated.
I know it's not perfect, but we wanted to be sure the initial release at least had some method of exporting the audio. We're working on further connectivity.
Because of the nature of software development and the realities of releasing commercial software. If you want to learn more about the nuts and bolts of managing software development, there's tons of discussions online about agile development, iterative development, user centred design, etc, etc...
Thank you! Me too!
I just took a look at Naves recording and yes it is like Animoogs. I wouldn't really want to see something that complex in Skram. I love the one screen with widgets that flip. i just imagine another red dot next to the current one that maybe has a tracks symbol on it.
@liine_nick I'm not curious enough to "study the nuts & bolts of commercial software development" as you suggest. It was just a question. As I'm fairly new to iOS music apps, it just seems that AB/IAA & Audioshare support are included with pretty much even the most basic apps lately.
Yours is so impressive for a 1.0 release, I was just wondering if it's more complicated to have AB/IAA & Audioshare support than it would appear.
But, I'm certainly not curious enough to study the nuts & bolts of software development to find out.
Regarding the app, there are 2 sequence matrix for each widget. Is there a way to add more?
At the moment, no, but this is certainly planned as a future feature!
I didn't mean to sound dismissive, the answer is just far from simple.
@skiphunt
I think it was a matter that the implementation of IAA/AB puts the software in relation with other software and it could bring serious headaches to devs if they care to have their software running always as expected. Fortunately looks like at Liine they care.
Yeah, like I said, I'm not a dev/coder so I'm ignorant about these things.
Personally, I'd be cool with just Audioshare support to easily get the recording into other stuff without having to fool with iTunes or email.
About that WretchUp app... sitting at Starbucks with the wife & killing time. Decided to buy WretchUp instead of a scone.
Really very cool to screw around mangling stuff with.
Much better than a scone.
In fact, I should be wrong (´cause I don't know what is to come), but in it's actual state, through the demo and other infos on the site, there's nothing that makes me "dream" of something I can't already do with all of my many other apps or in another way that would make me think I NEED to have Skram in my tools to change my workflow.
So, as I can't see the real use I could make out of Skram for now, I would only open it by curiosity one time then surely put it aside waiting for Audiobus, or IAA, or perhaps a very single new widget... and finally never end to use it...
But, for sure, I've already checked the "want" box in my appshopper's account to see what will come
I get timing hiccups here and there... It is running and suddenly stops for a second...
Q: How do you delete recording?
Also I wish for a better sounding drum machine....sound variety...?
That bug is documented and has been forwarded to the devs.
Make a new recording, the previous one will overwritten. It's a very simple system for now.
More on the way!
Heartily endorse this idea.
Exposing an audio out (AB/IAA) per widget would accomplish this too wouldn't it?
On a completely different issue...
@liine_nick would you guys consider allowing for variable pattern length for all widgets? Scram has it but none of the others do essentially locking you into some variation of a 4/4 time sig. Interestingly, if you fill a row in Orphic and Heatstroke, you end up with a nice odd time sig with 7 in the numerator when the rhythm dial is set to 4, 8 or 16 since there are 7 columns in the grid.
But most other rhythm settings yield 4/4ish type stuff. It would be awesome if Scram's pattern length slider could be added to all sequencers.
If Skram did have Widget independant AB/IAA I would plug it into Modstep and hope it works. However routing to a host app always adds extra steps and flakiness. I also don't want to distract the dev from making new Widgets on features that will require maintenance moving forward (iOS and AB sdk updates take time and attention). If there is a possibility to simply write out four audio buffers that are potentialy there for the taking right now, that may be a quick lower risk immediate win with fewer side effects.
That being said we all have our different uses. I am a 'dump it to DAW after making a ton of quick sketches while commuting' guy while others are all about making polished live performances. So for the live people, yes, piping it to AUM is likely the queens beans. The path(s) Skram is looking to go down is not entirely clear; 'immediate commuter sketch pad or live multi-instrument nucleus'? maybe both? Anyway, at home I love it when sitting in front of a DAW but for commuting it simply feels like fun but lost time.
You have a much clearer understanding than I about what it would actually take to program things.
Simply writing out 4 separate files would be awesome.
Amongst a lot of love, there seems to be a touch of cynicism towards Skram (maybe that's just this forum in general
) but I would thoroughly recommend getting involved at this early stage. It's a grower.. The interface is so deceptively simple that in our sometimes over complicated iOS world, it's easy to miss the ingenuity of it. Add onto that some of the best sounds I've personally heard in any iOS app and I believe that we're onto a real winner.
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Will it completely fail to work on an iPad 2, or just not work particularly well (or will it work fine, sometimes)?
For a few weeks, having just got a Novation Circuit, I thought I would be done with apps for quite a while but Skram has totaly got me interested once again and in many ways it shares the same 'keep it simple' philosophy. I love the 64 bit only, fewer but better sounds approach as opposed to the thin tinny sounds of tons of gadgets at once. yah this is a real pony to bet on.
I work with programmers so I can sometimes BS and sound like I know what I am talking about, but ultimately have no real insight into sound programming specifically...
Same. I'd rather you guys focus on what you've been focusing on and instead add IAA/AB ports for each instrument. Then we can multi-track our faces off in apps that focus on that.
Animoog and Nave's multitrackers are fun but they're still walled gardens. Also, their recorders are great at capturing simple riffs or layered ambient type stuff but not so good for beat oriented stuff so the 4-track tape deck model works fine but I dunno how useful that model would actually be in an app like Skram.
Session and loop capture directly within the app is always useful but a full on multitrack seems a bit of a waste of time.
+1 Much better to have AB and IAA rather than an inbuilt multitrack er