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cream mobile to buy or not to buy??
looking at cream mobile, and desktop version of cream. it looks great. but the apps store reviews are not very good. a lot of complaints about small controls?
what do you guys think, should I buy it?
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If you need the deepest arpeggiator out there you nailed it. It has a pretty steep learning curve, specially on iOS for its routing which aren't the most intuitive out there. The manual is a good starting point.
Thought of the day: At what point does an advanced arpeggiator become a straight up sequencer?
sweet. that's what I'm looking for. how are the controls, are they similar to some of the sugar bytes apps( small but usable)?
When it is able to sequence patterns and play something at the push of play button instead of taking live input to melodize
I fell off the learning curve and gave up.
yeah? what feature made you throw in the towel?
Check out Modstep
I am still learning, but am getting enough back to make it worthwhile. While there are lots of options out there I imagine a young Glass making interesting stuff with this machine. Again, and irrespective of outcome, I wouldn't give it back.
As I plan to show if I ever finish my planned tutorials ; Cream can be made to behave like a sequencer using either the Transpose or Seq lanes , though it can also do things a sequencer cant . There is no play button , but a single note ON can trigger playback.
Regarding button sizes , I find them quite usable , they are bigger & have more space around them than Sugarbytes Thesys . There is also a Quick Edit page which provides a larger view for detailed editing of the lanes . I attach screenshots .
IMO Cream is the most powerful , fully featured arpeggiator on IOS ; if only a single track is compared to other arp apps , with Discrete Lanes , Chordmemory & PatternSequencer .
But there being 4 tracks (with IAP) makes it a more complete musical sketchpad and makes the learning curve more worthwhile as different ways to use it can be tried concurrently .
I am biased as a longterm betatester for Cream but as I have said before , it was my appreciation of the power Cream brings to IOS arpeggiation that caused my dedication to betatesting for this app to succeed .
Sorry to spam every Cream thread , but in case the OP hasnt seen I have a couple of test demo videos , I add the latest below , checkout Youtube channel for previous.
thanks, I just bought it. we will see how it goes. thanks guys
I think I understand the layout. but is there a trick to sending midi out. I started a int. patch, and am trying to send it to Nave. I selected it as an output, and the sequencer is started, but no midi going out.
i was typing this as you posted ...@eross Enjoy . There are youtube tutorials for the VST version which give general overview .
There are Tips in the Comments of my Youtube Channel for IOS CreamMobile app in addition to the manual .
Main issue new users seem to have is setting up midi input /output channel PER TRACK
( top centre under dataDisplay window ) , midi ports in Configuration ( top right ) & the Key Area Control ( above Hold section) which sets the lo-hi range of notes for INPUT , & the base note for OUTPUT . the default preset has seperate ranges for each track , linked to the onscreen keyboard ,so it is possible playing the keyboard does nothing . please read my youtube commment tips for more info.
On the day that the sequencer is allowed to be played chromatically from a keyboard, with all of the gating and arpeggiation tricks enabled for realtime use.
@Audiojunkie I think I know WHAT you are saying , but not WHY you are saying this .
Are you speaking generally , are you saying cream can or can't do this ? ( I think it can )
Cream can do this. I was thinking in terms of at what point does a sequencer become an arpeggiator like cream. I responded to the question a little backwards... Sorry.
@Wally I appreciate your Cream constancy and don't consider it spamming but instead education. I hope the developer appreciates your efforts (you are in effect doing the dev's job) and would suggest he send you several bundt cakes and a dozen eclairs also if and when you get your tutorial together. I would willingly chip in an eclair myself; looking forward to it.
@Audiojunkie no worries , it just read too enigmatically for understanding your view on cream
@JohnnyGoodyear rather I appreciate his much greater effort & skill ,as his app allows me to explore & create in ways I couldnt otherwise .I'm also glad you're getting use & happy to endorse it after your initial reservations... though I'll look forward to that metaphorically carotene eclair if/when I get to "The End "
( P.s also The End now for me tonite)
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I bought this app, read the manual, realised the manual differed markedly from what was in front of me, and therefore abandoned it. When the manual relates to the product, I’ll consider it again.
I didn’t buy the four track IAP because I’d just previously bought iDensity and paid for the four track IAP there, which then became free, so I’m not making that mistake again!
This app is fantastic!! There is a small learning curve, but once you get past that, you can really start making some stuff that you can't really do anywhere else. this blows all the other arpeggiator apps out of the water.
What app are you talking about?
Oops & Thanks for mentioning : seems the app wrongly links to VST manual .
There has been a rewritten manual for the ipad version CreamMobile , here:
http://www.kirnuarp.com/CreamMobile-Manual.pdf
Sorry to all those who may have lost Cream use because of this , when I've referred to the manual I meant the ipad specific one .
I will inform dev of this error .
Aha, excellent. I shall consider it again.
Glad you like it , and my bias is externally confirmed .
If you didnt see above , ipad version manual is here :
http://www.kirnuarp.com/CreamMobile-Manual.pdf
oh thanks, I didn't see the iPad manual. thanks
Thanks (again) Wally. Have been playing again with Cream tonight and trying to make sense with the 'Chord Memory Trigger'. Manual helps, but not there yet. Just in case you were stuck on what to feature on your video of the day
Moving away from the EDM/whatever aspect and running Module's Cinema Piano through a channel (well gated) leads me into some kind of bottom hand jazz.
I like apps where the more I play them the more I like them. I like Cream.
@JohnnyGoodyear
I am planning a special on Chordmemory , I hope to clarify the difference between ChordMem Lane sequencing & Chordmemory Trigger as they require different base notes in the ChordMemory slot . I've posted wordy explanation in Tips before but should have finished this easier grafix before now . see pic
Hopefully you will see the base note needs to be different for the two different uses.
For CHORDMEM Sequencing , you want to trigger the programmed sequence of chords with a single note , the ChordSlots are programmed 1,2,3 etc in the Lane.
For ChordMemory Trigger , ChordSlots need different fixed basenote for each slot to play manually on keyboard.
@Wally you have some very clear and instructive concept of visualisation here, thank you, easy learning (:
^^^ I should add , as Chordmemory Trigger uses the arp engine it isnt currently possible to play entirely freely , by which I mean the ability to tap out a rythmn where each chord plays for as long or short as you hold the note , as the Rate knob still dictates playback . Setting it to 1/1 gives a little more "freedom" . I have requested dev adds a "Free" option which disengages arp engine & allows entirely free manual playing of Chordslots.
( @crzycrs thanks , sorry not to have posted sooner )
Could I enter chords by external keyboard or chordpolypad into the memory sequencer lane, not sure about the 1-8 values - the little squares, what exactly do they mean?