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Questions for Fugue Machine users
I've been thinking about getting an iPad chiefly for this app, or perhaps holding out for the oft rumored iPhone version. My question is: genre wise, how versatile is this? Could I, for example, use it to make straight up pop by keeping the parent sequences simple? I know you can start and stop the playheads and kind of "play" them that way. Can you also mute the sequences? Can you set the start and end points of each playhead? basically I'm concerned that no matter what you do, the results will sound very classical.
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Fugue Machine is awesome. If you do go for an iPad you'll also get to use Samplr & TC-11, two other apps that are almost worth the cost of the device.
Yeah tc 11 looks juicy. But what can you say about the genre versatility of the fugue machine?
You could certainly make pop music with FM, although I don't know that it would be my first choice in that genre unless I was creating something cyclical and hypnotic. That's where FM excels.
well, it'll make music of the genre you do. I do mainly electronic or dark ambient stuff when I use it. It all depends on what notes you put in it, and what synths/sounds you decide to drive with it. It probably is quite easy to make classical music with it, sure, but it doesn't default/force you to.
All 4 playheads will have the same active area of notes but as noted you can decide when/how to start them.
Oh, a tip for synchronizing in case anyone has missed it, is that the playheads start playing when you let go of the play-button, not when you press down on it. Can't help out when trying to time things.
Thank you @hellquist.
It really depends on how evident the cycle will be: if the playheads are cycling every other second the result will be a hypnotoad thing; if you keep transposing it will get classical, if you play it very slowly it can build your chord progression throughout a entire song without cycling
Pretty much nails it for me.
My most recent uses Fugue....pretty far from classical...
Fugue Machine is a Happy Accident Machine™ for me, and can be applied to any type of music. I can say I never use it's output straight up, though. I make kind of complex interplays with it, and they always seem to come apart at certain points, so I export the midi and fine tune. Trying to get things all running perfect in FM itself is admirable, but like dormering out a house of cards— the magic usually gets lost.
@aaronpc - you can't trademark HAM! You would cripple the free world with that!
Very good.
[Ham on Rye]
Someday I'm gonna have an iPad and hopefully leave myself in the dust.
@funjunkie27 that track was pretty sweet
Thanks @db909 !
Thanks, @JohnnyGoodyear Haven't read that one. Always looking for good bedside table fodder.
Can you set the start and end points of each playhead? basically I'm concerned that no matter what you do, the results will sound very classical. >
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It's a great app.
You can not set the beginning and end of playheads. It works one time only (for start point) and then it reverts to beginning.
Also it is OUT of global sync. Meaning it is synced to a beat but will start on the NEXT 1/4 beat in "line", if you got it set to 1/4 note resolution. Imagine a bass coming in on beat 2, (3 or 4)instead of beat 1. It should have option of waiting for 1st beat like LINK does.
Does not seem to bother anyone though.
To me it "naturally" sounds best for intertwining melodies, but can be used for anything...very versatile
I'm still playing with FM, and it's very cool. It's not actually Bach, but a quick and simple mechanism for creating and experimenting with counterpoint.
How relevant is that for any particular genre? You don't even have to understand counterpoint to play with it and see what you can get. It can be a starting point for ideas and for further development. Personally, I wouldn't make it my primary music tool, or expect it to be appropriate for anything close to everything, but I think you should get it, use it, and see what it does for you.
Fugue machine is also a lot of fun with the arpegiator of your choice.
Bothers me big time, it should also be possible to assign the playhead start/stop to midi and be possible to change the transposition using a midi note input. These minor issues cripple the practical usage of an otherwise WONDERFUL app, but I do still love it all the same.
Fugue is great app but will not buy it until I see a "pro" version with multiple clips ready to recorded/looped and tweaked all via midi. Also CC automation would be useful for reversing filter sweeps .
Something like Pro Midi app ,but Fugued.
What's your process? Like you record it into your daw?
Umm, there are other apps that do all those things quite well, no? But there are no other apps that do the core of what Fugue Machine does, correct? Just thinking I'd rather connect apps that do what I'd like, than to have every imaginable function in Fugue Machine (or most other apps too for that matter), if nothing else as it increases complexity and can make a good app divert on to a not-so-good path (code base needs to be kept up to date, support needs to be provided, etc).
After a while I could imagine some people would get your "Pro version" of Fugue Machine for the recording part only, and then they will start putting demands on that specific part not being as good as some other recording apps (regardless of if it was added as a secondary enhancement or not), thus forcing Alexander to spend more time on fixing what shouldn't have been in Fugue Machine, instead of focusing on what it does as its unique selling point: 4 independent playheads that you can direct to any other app(s) you'd like, via midi.
Just my £0.02
I almost quoted everyone to say +1. I don't think FM sounds particularly classical at all but I also wouldn't think to turn to it for radioish pop music.
In addition to slower tempi (and/or clock divisions), making longer loops can really help with variations. I find that I get the most out of FM if the pattern is either slow, minimal or long.
I often wish I could set a particular note to be ignored by a particular playhead. I've learned to get over it and do as suggested above: let it run for a while into a MIDI editor and then simply remove the note.
Yes. Exactly.
Maybe you can filter it out with midibridge/midiflow?
What app do y'all use to record midi data?
I’ll have to put some thought into how to do what I’m doing by transposing the outputs, so that I can manually do that to a recorded length of Fugu Machine’s native output.
What I’m doing at the moment with my transposition experiments is taking midi channels 1;2;3;4 and calling those channels A;B;C;D (there was a reason to call them differently). I then take the note value of the channels into three-input adders. The first adds B+C+D, the second A+C+D, the third adds A+B+D, the fourth A+B+C. The first summed transposition goes into the first synth pitch input, and is gated by channel A, it never directly receives the pitch of channel A, only the sum of all the others (B+C+D). Similarly, the second synth is gated by channel B, but the note value comes from the sum of all the others (A+C+D). And so on for the remaining two channels.
These transpositions obviously must repeat at some stage, but the repetition periodicity is far longer than Fugu Machine on its own, and is also inherently more interesting, as the ‘basis’ or ‘datum line’ note of a particular channel is dependent upon where the other playheads are now.
Each time I refer to it as Fugu Machine instead of Fugue Machine, I’m reminded of the sketch from an early Simpsons.
Thanks for the detailed answer! That sounds awesome, I'm gonna try it. I'm not really sure what you mean by gated here though. Just that a B+C+D are grouped together in one channel (A)?
It’s to do with my transposition experiments, in an app not called Adults
Agreed . Maybe a way to launch multiple instances of Fugue would be better.