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I truly love Sunvox, but I can't get to learn it no matter what I do. I can only build simple sounds and modules but that's it. I really wish I could learn this one so much. That's why I havent got Modstep, cause I feel it may happen also. Sunvox is so powerful, but so confusing.
What a bargain, I have used Sunvox off and on since 2008ish on a Palm PDA, but only use it to about 1% of its potential.
If they would modernize the sequencer i could figure the rest!
There's an interesting Windows DAW that's a tracker with a piano roll sequencer, and a modular view (some differences, but if you have Windows it's very special) called Aodix. The tracker is "tickless", the piano roll is vertical, and the modular view allows you to string together vst's in constellation...
Meanwhile, Sunvox
I’ve already posted my “first look” video, earlier this morning.
@u0421793 Just so you know... I've never been able to watch one of your videos. I don't have a problem with other YT videos, just yours. I've tried watching directly from YT and no dice. It gets about 2secs in and stalls... if it even makes it that far.
4 of your current 7 views were me hitting play and getting nothing.
This dev's Virtual ANS is also on sale 50% off. Picked it up last night. Does some very cool stuff but I really hate the interface. Reminds me of why I don't use a PC.
Virtual ANS's image/sonic tricks are very cool though.
Same here. If I watch it embedded in the pages of audiobus forum here, it goes a couple of seconds, then dies, and often takes the page and Safari down with it. Not sure why. Oh well, just one of those things, I suppose.
Hmm. Unusual perhaps and sounds like sad circs viz the dev. Thanks for the rec.
No problem from here to playing that video...Thanks for sharing.
It's playing for me too now. I'm guessing you posted the embed before YT was finished compressing it? Thx
SunVox is an app that I bought with hopes that I'd learn it in the future, but I never have given it the time. But I also figured that supporting this developer was worthwhile, as he's created some incredibly unique apps. So, no big loss if I never use it in a track.
I'm truly convinced there is something wrong with me now. First I obsessed with learning ModStep and no sooner did I start to get my head around that and start making some music again, I read all the posts about how difficult Sunvox is, and had to try it. It's got to be the most un-productive, cryptic, non musical (in the sense of being like an instrument) app ever ... And I simply can't put it down!
Oddly too, I've managed to get some of the best stuff I've done in a long time out of those two. Maybe it's just the breaking of the mold and being forced to think about the component parts of the music more. Weird. I'm sure havin' fun though.
@Tones4Christ, ModStep is nowhere near as difficult a journey to learn as Sunvox.
@u0421793 what do you use to record video of the iPad screen?
I would like to do some short intro videos and yours come out sharp and with fairly smooth motion.
For anyone else who like to know. You can record your iPad directly to QuickTime by plugging it in with a USB to lightning cable. As detailed here:
http://www.techradar.com/how-to/software/how-to-record-your-iphone-or-ipad-screen-on-a-mac-1283217
Now I've just got to work out how to record voice and iPad output at the same time.
Make a aggregate device in audio/midi settings gathering iPad and all of the interfaces of your choice
Yeah that might work. Only problem I see is that the audio from iPad to Mac is quite laggy so may have to investigate recording externally.
Check your volume is not muted. At 6:37 I must’ve randomly prodded or swiped something that made a sound. There’s definitely sound there. Well, a sound.
Be useful with some sound lol
Im tempted by Sunvox but aware theres a big possibility itll end up in my ' unused ' folder
Actually, that’s total bollocks. I had a huge argument a few years ago with another forum somewhere else, that claimed that you could record directly from iPad to Quicktime. This at the time was precisely what I was looking for, and would have been the perfect solution. After the lengthy to and fro of pointing out that it simply cannot and does not work, they said it might only work with “lightning” cables. I even tried one of those from PoundLand, via an expensively purchased “lightning” to normal 30-pin adaptor (to, you know, make it actually fit my iPad, which is not “lightning”). That simply doesn’t work either. I took the cable back to PoundLand and getting a refund even with a suitable lie that it doesn’t charge the device, was frustratingly difficult. I did get my £1 back eventually.
What I use to record these is a thing I’ve had for a while but previously dismissed for normal live video streaming usage as being not useful, but now turns out even has an “iPad” mode and can be used for capture: the Elgato Game Capture HD60. However, lately I’ve set the bitrate quite low (you can see the blacks are noisy, on the default bitrate it’s not as bad). But there’s something a bit odd about the way that it captures, and the video produced by that, when put up on youtube and then viewed back here in audiobus forum pages, seem to drag Safari down. Only those videos. Don’t know why. However, the Game Recorder can stream (not sure about capture) with webcam overlay, graphic overlay (for your own logo or something) and also voice overlay and mixing, from a mic or wherever you select.
In previous months, and last year, I was using a BlackMagic Designs H.264 Pro Recorder to record from my iPad into HDMI through the 30-pin HDMI adaptor. Here’s an example of that, but it’s not a direct capture, it’s many of them composited together in FCPX:
youtube number t-T_5X-Um_8
(I won’t embed the video here, it’ll make the thread unreadable, especially with people inconsiderately not bothering to trim quotes).
Previously when I was shooting my own videos to make other people understand reality, I was using a BlackMagic Designs ATEM Television Studio, which can live switch and mix from several different HDMI/SDI sources (and SPDIF audio) and capture to H264. Here’s an example:
youtube number Vlq404I1AHc
I have tried the iPad through the 30-pin to VGA adaptor, into devices that could capture VGA video but I never got a stable result, so wasn’t worth pursuing. Eventually, through settings, I’d get a full screen with no excess padding and not off-centre. Then the next recording would be back to padded, shifted and not pixel clocked properly. This proved an inconsistent waste of (a lot of my) time. Not worth bothering with.
There is some sound. I’ve no idea how, but in the duration of the video, there are instances where something I was touching or tickling made sounds. More than once.
I can tell you, this will definitely end up unused for me too. It’s a user interface disaster.
Check the latencies and the clock buffer. The "easiest" way could be: lighting to hdmi adapter(video and sound out)> hdmi recording interface
I've had another idea. I can record the voiceover and S____x into AUM on the iPad, record the video onto the Mac using the lightning cable, then stitch them together using iMovie or similar
Yeah , im not sufficiently tempted so far !
I did this using QT, although I don't know why the video didn't work until the 1:27 mark. I used Audacity and the MBP mic for the voiceover, and then CuteCut to sync the voiceover and add graphic overlays..
I’m starting to take a fairly hard line approach with apps (and life in general) that presents an ill thought out user experience, often because of a bad user interface.
Obviously, in life, typography is the single most important thing. Successful areas of a town have good looking balanced and harmonised typography on display. Depressed poverty stricken areas have bad sloppy harshly offensive typography. In a street, people who sloppily paint uneven house numbering to their bins are clearly deficient. People who draw a baseline and have awareness of descenders on the number 9 are unmistakably successful in life. It’s as simple as that, I’m sure we all agree.
Beside user interface, though, there’s user experience. Does someone on the outside know what the person on the inside already assumes? At art college I did Product Design (i.e., industrial design, i.e. 3D design). Today this would encompass both UX and UI (which are two fundamentally different things). One of our principles was that if you have to show a user how to use the mock-up or prototype you’ve designed (typically still dripping wet with spray paint and insufficiently glued bits falling off) then you’ve designed it badly. The way the user assumes (from the form and appearance) that it should be used, IS the way it should be used, and if you the designer had internally planned that it should be used a different way, you were incorrect. The unprompted user should be able to use it with no instruction, and be able to discover all the uses and possibilities from the form and design. But then again, that was our Bauhaus upbringing, yet I still cling to that.
I’m putting less and less time in to learning obtuse apps that aren’t immediately figure-out-able, requiring an excursion to the manual every time I want to do something. Especially more so as the percentage of a day devoted to using technology to make art fluctuates. If it’s baffling, inapparent, cryptic or difficult, it’s an obstruction, and life’s too short for those sorts of battles.
No, it’s not that. The embed was most of the day after the youtube upload. It’s to do with those specific iPad videos from the Elgato HD60 when embedded here in audio bus forum that I’m logged into via twitter when I’m using this Safari on this MacBook Pro running E.I. Captain and sitting in this chair. I’ve just made a black coffee and for the first time, ground some salt into the dripper as I brewed it, and although quite an interesting taste, didn’t make any of my Elgato videos play unhindered. I should do some experimenting with other vantage points and situation.
That doesn't explain why it also wouldn't play when I tried to go directly through YT and it still wouldn't play.
I played a 4K YT video to make sure it wasn't my connection.
SunVox crushes most everything else on iOS. It's a shame the bar has been set so low, as in, hey mommy look at me I can launch a dub step clip in this new app and now I'm a dj sensation! If lobotomy patients ever figure out how to do filter automation, watch out, theyz will beez dope.
One of the reasons I love it is because if the genius user interface. How many other apps can keep all the settings readily available if you need them, but let you move them out of the way when you don't need to see them? How many other apps lets the user decide what part of the GUI they want to focus on, whilst still having the other parts in a customized size?
You pick a module and you have ALL the settings for it, right there, in the left hand bar. If you don't use the tracker, slide it out of the way. Route several inputs through whatever effects routes you'd like, and let them stream together when you like. Want to connect two modules/boxes? Tap one and tap another without letting go of the first one. Bam. They are connected. Want to disconnect two connected boxes? Do the same again. It is clearly visible where sound is happening due to the graphics and the flow, the boxes connected with pulsating lines etc.
Now, I admit, it does have a learning threshold. It isn't presented all on a plate, up for grabs. It isn't a preset player. It doesn't give you much for free. Also, another midi input app or an external keyboard is helpful, for getting chords/notes in. That is true for many other apps too.
For those adventurous enough to explore something new, the rewards are tremendous. For me, admittedly being a multi-instrumentalist, but also being far from a hardcore synth head (I have no idea a lot of the time what I'm doing, and a lot of the synth talk is complete greek to me...no offence to greek people...), I have found SunVox to be amazingly accommodating. Almost whatever I think up, SunVox can help out, either all the way or part of the way.
I would expect most of us struggling with what to do in a fighter jet cockpit, or on the bridge of a large ship. Some things take a little bit of learning. For me that is ok, if the results are worth it. For SunVox it definitely is, at least for me.