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AU effects, or Talk To Me Like I'm The Dumbest Guy in The Room
I have AUM, and it's a great app. I'm just starting to explore all the possibilities with it, as I've been strictly an Audiobus guy for the longest time (meaning I open Audiobus by default at the start of every project).
I know that Blamsoft has a whole suite of AU effects apps. My question is: What is the big advantage to using those apps over, say, the AUFX apps or the Holderness effects apps?
Thanks in advance!
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You can use multiple instances of them in an AU host is probably the biggest advantage.
You can use the same effect multiple times on different tracks. Like having 10 different instances of the blamsoft filter. You cannot use multiple instances of a single IAA effect. That's the main advantage of AU.
Also there is better sync with AU and preset state saving once the AU app supports it.
For me AU is better and easier to work with, no IAA issues like app not opening and so on.
No, I'm the dumbest guy in the room. I'm also just learning AUM and thinking about getting the AUFX apps. What you're saying here is that you can't, say, set different compression or reverb for different tracks? You could apply :Push and :Space on busses to process multiple tracks as one, but not on multiple individual tracks? However, with an AU effect, you can use multiple instances of that effect on as many tracks as you want?
If this is true, what are the chances that the AUFX series will be made as AU apps? I suppose only Kymatica can answer that.
You pretty much got it. AUFX is definitely gettin an AU update it seems. Just as soon as he gets time to update them. Currently he's focused on AUM. Which to be honest is fine by me
Thanks. I found an answer on the AUFX Forum: "Do you plan to support Audio Unit ?"
Jonatan Liljedahl: "Yes, as soon as I find the time for it!
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Good news. The Blamsoft effects apps get positive reviews too. Advantage of iOS is that everything is relatively inexpensive.
I could probably claim that title.
Yep, stability is a huge plus. Can't wait for AUFX to get an AUX update. In the meanwhile, I bought the Blamsoft bundle a few days ago & it's excellent value!
Developers should take a hard look at AU implementation in AUM so brilliant and well thought out, it's time that more apps port to AU .
Can't understand what's the hold up , you could plainly see its advantage and why do the still release an App with no AU support.
For me if a App is new and does not have AU support I am not going to purchase it.
I haven't studied the CPU meters (I remember hearing they can be deceptive), but offhand, do you guys think relying more on Audio Unit effects and synths is a better choice for someone on an older ipad (4 here)? I'm just wondering if AU is somehow less resource intensive, it SEEMS that way thru the lens of my complete technical ignorance.
Same here.
I'm gonna tag @j_liljedahl even though i feel it is gauche and not-classy but i bet he can enlighten us.
I'd be surprised if there was much difference. the meat of the CPU usage is in the synthesis itself. One quick and dirty way to test would be to do a side by side comparison using iSEM in AUM as as an IAA app and then as an AU extension. Same host, same app. I'm guessing it would come out the same, but not curious enough to try it myself.
iSEM seems like a big boy, Viking and the Blamsoft effects seem very light by comparison. But again, this is purely a feeling or ignorant suspicion.
Big or not, it's an app that exists both as an IAA app and an AU extension. The point was about how to do a practical test if you're curious if there's some magic performance advantage for AU extensions. I doubt there is.
But there is a huge advantage at being able to use more than one instance.
Please search this forum for discussions about the reasons for it if you want a more detailed explanation, but here's the short version:
It doesn't pay at all to add AU Extension functionality to an existing app since developers cannot charge users for it who have already paid for the app. Even entirely new apps like Ruismaker or the zMors EQ are not even breaking the top ten of paid apps on their launch day, which is necessary for many professional audio developers to achieve to break even on their time invested in making an app.
Apart from that there are a few limitations towards RAM usage that restrict how capable an AU Extension.
If you want more Audio Unit extensions then one way to get them would be for developers to charge a lot more for them and the (provably) few users who care about them buying them at those prices.
We might also support them with Audiobus 3 which would drive more attention towards them.
That would be really, really nice. I personally prefer simply loading everything in AB, and don't like that I have to complicate things by sub-hosting just the AU extensions in something else.
@Sebastian while I tend to agree with you I am saying if it's a new App It makes no sense at all supporting AudioBus, IAA and not AU.
I hear you. Technically we already have it running in Audiobus 3. We're contemplating if we're not adding something more to the AU Extension implementation to make it easier for developers to port their existing apps into AU Extension versions of them, which would take some more time and lobbying with 3rd party devs. As you can see with the current state of AU Extensions adoption rate with third party developers is dismal and that needs to be remedied somehow.
For you it might not but the massive success of high quality new Apps not supporting AU Extensions (Moog 15, Blocs Wave, Auxy, Djay Pro just to name a few) speaks for itself.
You're not the developer of these apps, but for them it has to make sense, not just for users.
Professional developers have to pay rent. AU Extensions don't help it while only adding to support load and design/development efforts.
Currently many of the high quality apps that supporting AU Extensions are hosts and only because it's easy for them to do so, while most of the apps that have AU Extensions are made by developers who don't sell iOS audio apps as their main job, but doing it on the side and therefore aren't relying on them to be a financial success.
It must be a nightmare for developers right now. Everyone expects AudioBus, Link, MIDI in/out, MIDI clock, IAA, AU, multiple instrument outs, MIDI Learn, cc automation, iOS compatibility for every version back to 7, and capable of running on iPad 2, oh and Universal app too, please. For less than a hamburger. What, no updates in over 6 months? Well, maybe when it goes on sale...
I'm sure glad I don't have to try to make a living in that space.
Great for us little spoiled brats out here though!
There are so many music-making apps to choose from, maybe it’s getting harder to sell on iOS. One either must or can be more picky these days. I’d think adding AU Extensions would help distinguish an app from others, so I’m surprised they don’t sell better. One can snub their nose at an app if it doesn’t fit neatly into their rigid workflow or whatever ideal setup they’ve imagined.
If successful companies are not adopting a technology, then potential customers will have to accept it or deprive themselves of the benefits of their apps. I see AU Extensions and several other capabilities as a convenience rather than a necessity.
This forum needs a "like"-button
CPU = synthesis
or
CPU = size of data being moved around and the size of that data
Oddly enough, I find that sample based products(Synthmaster or Launchpad) take more CPU actually then synthesis formulation apps.
That can be just me.
Nathan please stop, it's like a needle thrust into my eye-soul every time.
For you it might be the most important thing and I agree that it has some upsides.
For me it's mainly it's an example of how just throwing a new technology at a platform doesn't just make it a standard or even viable, even if Apple or users would like it to be. At the same time the lack of adoption is confusing and frustrating users (and Apple, I think).
The most frustrating thing is that I'm the one who has to explain this to our users and we're not even the ones making AU Extensions, our app is not compatible with it and we're not the ones trying to push the technology (yet).
For the not going so well sequencer from NS1 developer, I refuse to take the simplicity looking AU app NS1. After my purchase of NS1 I have found it the most useable between all synths apps. Using it on Modstep to morph two or three instances, I found it the approach to make it my own sounds beautiful as possible. With many powerful fx apps on Auria Pro or AUM to chain, I am highly recommending it for potential purchasers. Don't judge it by the looks, it is so morph-able to quickly design music tracks to save time on quality adjustment. The less is more approach on 3 xy pads is too awesome. If you consider there are so many possibility that simultaneously using Modstep modulations on NS1 parameters. It is superior and users friendly to compete. That is the benefit of AU synth. I will continuingly put my money on AU extensions stuff.
Some people seem to be preoccupied with AU sales versus traditional app formats.
Someone also pointed to Moog 15, Blocs Wave and Djay Pro as being somehow proof that AU status is not necessary.
First, Moog and Novation are not exclusively "app" or "software" companies alone. They make something real in a brick and mortar physical capacity. DJPRO is a very rare app that has the backing and support of hardware manufacturers. These are companies that are doing this as a supplemental market endeavor. Not primary bottom line drivers. Most app developers know that this is not a way to get rich. Unless they plan on selling to Apple later on or something involving an acquisition.
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The preoccupation of some people on the AU sales or market share is economically short sided.views on Complex topic such as the difference of operating a large company versus a small business is a huge endeavor. Let alone the fact that some people know enough that they can't make a living on making ios music apps/AU so they are doing it for other reasons such as personal satisfaction and creative needs.
So, for someone to say "they need to charge more for AU to make it" is silly. The ideal price for any product or service is one that is acceptable to both buyer and seller. From the buyer's standpoint, the right price is a function of product purchase value and other competitive choices in the marketplace. From the your vantage point, the basic concern for almost all small businesses is to price products to maximize both sales and profits, while providing enough margin to take care of applicable marketing and overhead expenses.
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My point is putting AU or apps in certain boxes is pointless. Every developer or COMPANY has a different goal and / or stake in IOS app type products and sales. Making blanket statements based on one paradigm is pointless.
Auria Pro doesn’t have AU Ex yet. Audiobus doesn’t. Gadget, no. Blocs Wave and probably hundreds of synths and drum machines could host AU Ex effects, but don’t. They all have higher priorities. It makes no sense to suggest that these companies either don’t understand the potential value of AU Extensions, or lack in commitment to providing quality products for their customers.
You're mistaken with that. Moog treats apps very much like a profit center and the fact that Moog 15 was not a 1 dollar sale like Animoog used to be when that launched shows how they treat it like its own product, not just a means to sell Moog hardware.
The Launchpad and Blocs Wave team are not part of Novation but a separate team and company now, which means they are very much a software only company, even though they're closely related to Novation. You're falling for the the no true scotsman logical fallacy dismissing Djay Pro.
I have a degree in media economics/business science and I have no idea why this should have anything to do with the topic at hand.
That doesn't have any impact on the fact that some vocal users want more Audio Unit Extensions and they're not getting them from the vast majority of developers.
There's no margin at all for existing apps to add AU Extensions. None. The ideal price would be more than zero. That was kind of my point. Sorry if I didn't make it clear enough for you.
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Nice blanket statement.
I have no idea what is so much better about AU unless you are running the mini4, 6s, or especially the iPad Pro, they just take up so much memory. Now I own the mini 4 and a 6s. They both will do a huge memory spike when I use those blamesoft AU Bundle. Plus I only own blamesoft, and the voice rack which does the same to a lesser extent. I'm most likely the dumbest schmuck in the room right now. I really am interested to see how AU effects will pan out for older devices. If my 6s and mini 4 are having memory spikes and getting hot just from an effect I don't see the point. Holderness and AUFX sound so damn good. They can be slotted into Audioshare, and connected to a send into AUM, which gives me exactly 1-2 percent constantly on newer/older devices. Impressive to say least.