Lack of groovebox type apps for ios?

AndyPlankton

@Richtowns said:

Cheers, I shall be giving that a go later

kobamoto

@AndyPlankton said:

@kobamoto said:
does groove machine have sample import?

Yes through audio copy, doesn't work well with audio copy app though

hmmm, thanks.

Samu

@Richtowns said:

@AndyPlankton said:

I didn't realise you could do this in modstep....How ?

In the third window, the step sequencer has this little Rosseta of fun in the lower left part of the screen. You reveal the wheel by clicking the round button between the two arrows to the right of the active steps button. Select the rhythm part (or note part) you want to shift and click left or right. It's not very easy to see the result for 'fractional shifting' because the step sequencer only displays in whole steps but when you switch to the piano roll view you will see you have shifted it as expected. Hope that's clear, if not we should get Jacob to do a quick vid

Where are the options for triplets and dotted notes?

kobamoto

^^ yes^^this?

db909

@zeropoint
Stop reading my mind, regarding Gonebox. I got real excited there for a second.

srcer

Stumbled on this while looking for Elastic Drums info: http://mominstruments.com/fluxpad/
Says it's a groovebox where you "paint" the notes, hmm, could be interesting

ExAsperis99

@grego68 said:

@robosardine said:
I know there are tons of synth apps- but my sense is that there is a real lack of groovebox type apps- certainly relative to the amount of other apps out there. I am talking here about multi track- including drums and synths- and all with a built in sequencer- ( or even a decent synth with a built in sequencer).
I mean does Korg Gadget have a serious rival? I am aware of some but most with some shortcomings (for me). Here are the main ones I am aware of:-

Caustic- OK- but seems to have been left by the owners- 3.2 promised for months- but no show.
Rebirth- the best of the 303 emulators- but I use my TB3 for all of this type of thing- and it is certainly much better than Rebirth.
Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.
Zillidrone- some good sounds- but a bit of a fiddle.

> Oscilab- ???- again I'm sure it's just me but I shut this down within minutes of opening it- it's too much effort. :)
Same here, i just bought Oscilab and i can load 2 or 3 synth via AB but it crashes.I don't know If my IPad Air 1 iOS 9 is too weak or If it's an oscilab bug . Oscilab is insane but I'm very disappointed that it is not stable. Perhaps i should Try with Aum.Anyway you should test Thesys and Different Drummer , you can extract good grooves with it.

Any word on Oscilab? It looks cool, but it's hard to tell from the YouTube videos. My impression was that it was kind of an acid-housey fun app, kind of like Figure on steroids.
But you can (or should be able to) load in synths?

db909

You can send midi out on Oscillab yes. 4 destinations. It's like an "automation style" sequencer. You basically choose which notes/range of notes you want for an instrument and then program a rhythm for the oscillators which will control how the notes are played. You can also draw points on a graph to direct the overall flow of the melody. There is also some cool filter modulations possible as well. In my experience, it's not an app you go into with a specific vision because you don't have immediate precise control over the melodies. Better to think of it as an experimental thing. It's more like programming a crazy arpeggiator for all of your parts. Basically, if you're not down for just experimenting and seeing what happens, you will probably be frustrated with Oscillab imo

ExAsperis99

@db909 said:
You can send midi out on Oscillab yes. 4 destinations. It's like an "automation style" sequencer. You basically choose which notes/range of notes you want for an instrument and then program a rhythm for the oscillators which will control how the notes are played. You can also draw points on a graph to direct the overall flow of the melody. There is also some cool filter modulations possible as well. In my experience, it's not an app you go into with a specific vision because you don't have immediate precise control over the melodies. Better to think of it as an experimental thing. It's more like programming a crazy arpeggiator for all of your parts. Basically, if you're not down for just experimenting and seeing what happens, you will probably be frustrated with Oscillab imo

Wow that sounds even better than I had imagined. And has it been stable in your experience?

db909

Yeah it's stable for me.

kobamoto

@ExAsperis99 said:

@grego68 said:

@robosardine said:
I know there are tons of synth apps- but my sense is that there is a real lack of groovebox type apps- certainly relative to the amount of other apps out there. I am talking here about multi track- including drums and synths- and all with a built in sequencer- ( or even a decent synth with a built in sequencer).
I mean does Korg Gadget have a serious rival? I am aware of some but most with some shortcomings (for me). Here are the main ones I am aware of:-

Caustic- OK- but seems to have been left by the owners- 3.2 promised for months- but no show.
Rebirth- the best of the 303 emulators- but I use my TB3 for all of this type of thing- and it is certainly much better than Rebirth.
Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.
Zillidrone- some good sounds- but a bit of a fiddle.

> Oscilab- ???- again I'm sure it's just me but I shut this down within minutes of opening it- it's too much effort. :)
Same here, i just bought Oscilab and i can load 2 or 3 synth via AB but it crashes.I don't know If my IPad Air 1 iOS 9 is too weak or If it's an oscilab bug . Oscilab is insane but I'm very disappointed that it is not stable. Perhaps i should Try with Aum.Anyway you should test Thesys and Different Drummer , you can extract good grooves with it.

Any word on Oscilab? It looks cool, but it's hard to tell from the YouTube videos. My impression was that it was kind of an acid-housey fun app, kind of like Figure on steroids.
But you can (or should be able to) load in synths?

Sean made a pretty sick oscilab demo a while back, I'll try to find it

SDG

@robosardine said:

Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.

I wonder, if you like Gadget, what do you find frustrating about iDS-10?.

robosardine

@SDG said:

@robosardine said:

Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.

I wonder, if you like Gadget, what do you find frustrating about iDS-10?.

I do like gadget- though I find some of the sounds from some of the Gadgets a little flat and one dimensional- although others are very good indeed.
I have since revisited iDS- 10 and am getting better results from it now. I had trouble getting sounds I liked out of it- I wish there were more preset tones- I find running it through effects brings good results. - I will never ever fully understand no matter how I try what to expect when connecting all those patch cables (so for that reason I will be steering clear of that Monster Moog 15 thing). I really like the Vocoder on the iDS10 though- and I also like the gate editing for notes... and other bits and bobs- I will be returning to it again for sure.

db909

Anyone dug into Beatwave? It was one I deleted and just reinstalled and I've just discovered it has some pretty deep sound design capabilities if you get the pro version.

SDG

@robosardine said:

@SDG said:

@robosardine said:

Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.

I wonder, if you like Gadget, what do you find frustrating about iDS-10?.

I do like gadget- though I find some of the sounds from some of the Gadgets a little flat and one dimensional- although others are very good indeed.
I have since revisited iDS- 10 and am getting better results from it now. I had trouble getting sounds I liked out of it- I wish there were more preset tones- I find running it through effects brings good results. - I will never ever fully understand no matter how I try what to expect when connecting all those patch cables (so for that reason I will be steering clear of that Monster Moog 15 thing). I really like the Vocoder on the iDS10 though- and I also like the gate editing for notes... and other bits and bobs- I will be returning to it again for sure.

I agree with you about Gadget. iDS-10 synth sounds way better to me and is deeper and more versatile than its substractive counterparts in Gadget, but at the same time you can get new sounds within just a few seconds---if you now how. And sequencing and modulation is even more straightforward. I think you could benefit greatly from learning a bit more about synthesis. Here are the basics about the patch panel (english is not my main language so I may make some mistakes…):

You can think about the patch pannel in iDS-10 as an (expanded) LFO or a (limited) "modulation matrix". The lower row sets the "shape" the modulation will follow (triangle, sawtooth, square, random, the amplifier envelope, oscillator 2), the upper row of knobs are the things you can modulate (global pitch, osc 1 pitch, osc 2 pitch, pulse width -only works when setting osc 1 to square wave-, filter and amplification). Moving the knobs right or left sets how much deep the modulation will be and its value (positive or negative). The MG FREQ knob sets how fast the modulation is. SYNC set to "on" syncs the modulation to the BPM and re-starts it every time the pattern is triggered. SYNC set to of "of" makes the modulation run freely from the sequencer and BPM.

As an example, load the INIT patch, set the VCF cutoff knob to 50%, and draw a melody on the sequencer. Now go to the patch panel and plug the CUTOFF IN knob to the TRI (triangle wave). Now move the CUTOFF IN knob to one side, you will notice how the triangle starts modulating the filter, the wider the effect the further you move the knob. Change the MG FREQ knob and SYNC settings to get a faster or slower modulation. Now unplug the CUTOFF IN knob and plug the VCO PITCH IN instead, you will get the same modulation but this time affecting the pitch…Have fun

This is not the only way to modulate things in iDS-10 though…You can even modulate the modulations

SDG

@db909 said:
Anyone dug into Beatwave? It was one I deleted and just reinstalled and I've just discovered it has some pretty deep sound design capabilities if you get the pro version.

I do!. But I have barely touched the new sampler thing. I really enjoy the preset sounds and the FX on this one. The random and custom scale settings are also great. I think many people may skip iDS-10 because they already have Gadget/iMS20/iPolysix and may dismiss Beatwave because it does not look "pro", but, as an all-in-one-apps, this two are my favourites.

robosardine

@SDG said:

@robosardine said:

@SDG said:

@robosardine said:

Korg iDS 10 & iMS20- fine but I find them a bit frustrating.

I wonder, if you like Gadget, what do you find frustrating about iDS-10?.

I do like gadget- though I find some of the sounds from some of the Gadgets a little flat and one dimensional- although others are very good indeed.
I have since revisited iDS- 10 and am getting better results from it now. I had trouble getting sounds I liked out of it- I wish there were more preset tones- I find running it through effects brings good results. - I will never ever fully understand no matter how I try what to expect when connecting all those patch cables (so for that reason I will be steering clear of that Monster Moog 15 thing). I really like the Vocoder on the iDS10 though- and I also like the gate editing for notes... and other bits and bobs- I will be returning to it again for sure.

I agree with you about Gadget. iDS-10 synth sounds way better to me and is deeper and more versatile than its substractive counterparts in Gadget, but at the same time you can get new sounds within just a few seconds---if you now how. And sequencing and modulation is even more straightforward. I think you could benefit greatly from learning a bit more about synthesis. Here are the basics about the patch panel (english is not my main language so I may make some mistakes…):

You can think about the patch pannel in iDS-10 as an (expanded) LFO or a (limited) "modulation matrix". The lower row sets the "shape" the modulation will follow (triangle, sawtooth, square, random, the amplifier envelope, oscillator 2), the upper row of knobs are the things you can modulate (global pitch, osc 1 pitch, osc 2 pitch, pulse width -only works when setting osc 1 to square wave-, filter and amplification). Moving the knobs right or left sets how much deep the modulation will be and its value (positive or negative). The MG FREQ knob sets how fast the modulation is. SYNC set to "on" syncs the modulation to the BPM and re-starts it every time the pattern is triggered. SYNC set to of "of" makes the modulation run freely from the sequencer and BPM.

As an example, load the INIT patch, set the VCF cutoff knob to 50%, and draw a melody on the sequencer. Now go to the patch panel and plug the CUTOFF IN knob to the TRI (triangle wave). Now move the CUTOFF IN knob to one side, you will notice how the triangle starts modulating the filter, the wider the effect the further you move the knob. Change the MG FREQ knob and SYNC settings to get a faster or slower modulation. Now unplug the CUTOFF IN knob and plug the VCO PTCH IN instead, you will get the same modulation but this time affecting the pitch…Have fun

This is not the only way to modulate things in iDS-10 though…You can even modulate the modulations

Great- thanks very much for taking the time. I appreciate it. I shall set aside some time to work through this in the near future. Cheers

Qmishery

I still consider bleep!Box being cool for live perfomance etc

kobamoto

any updates in bleep box's future?

Qmishery

Who knows. It's pretty old app, like since 2009 or 2010, last update of both app and developer website was in 2014, i guess.

audiblevideo

TriqTraq!!! Yellowfier, bleepBox, Nodebeat, Auxy, Dopplerpad(oooold), TNR-i or e, Rhythm (old and acid)
-- poop! I forgot FingerBeat (like Machine and sequencer and song builder all in one.

As far a Oscillab it's super. Try recording midi output into Infinite looper. If you generate a random pattern (note on note off and duration - at the bottom of the individual part section) adjust a few points, and restrict the range and key -- by just switching between the waveforms you can get some lovely phrasing. 10x when you actually state adjusting the "carrier" waves themselves.

Egoist and different drummer for the iPad!!

db909

Can also live transpose the patterns in oscilab via the performance page with all the xy pads.

Qmishery

TNR-i

Still not available in some regions

Rich303

iPolysix is a lot of fun on it's own with 2 synth and 6 drum parts. When I think of grooveboxes, the oldschool step sequencing of iPolysix brings me back to those days.

mannix

One that I'm missing is Mint.io. Downloaded it long time ago when it was free. Never played with it that much though. See that it's still updated and has audiobus.

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