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Generative apps/apps with randomization

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  • funjunkie27funjunkie27

    @johnfromberkeley said:
    You spent a lot of time listening to telcom noise in your old job, didn't you? ;-)

    I would probably still have that job if I spent less time with that and more time working! :wink:

  • JeffChasteenJeffChasteen

    @grego68 said:

    Odesi chords, a new app,never mentioned here cause no ab.
    Navichord, youcompose are great too.+1 for Different Drummer,very powerfull but UI is not easy.

    Thanks for the heads up concerning Odesi Chords. It seems to be a very useful app.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    I knew this app cause i have the desktop version .Rapidcomposer ,liquid notes for live and synfire are even more powerful and deeper.Perhaps we ll get them one Day on IOS version .

  • setAIsetAI

    tera

  • kobamotokobamoto

    @JeffChasteen said:

    @grego68 said:

    Odesi chords, a new app,never mentioned here cause no ab.
    Navichord, youcompose are great too.+1 for Different Drummer,very powerfull but UI is not easy.

    Thanks for the heads up concerning Odesi Chords. It seems to be a very useful app.

    do you have a link to this app?

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    https://itunes.apple.com/cn/app/odesi-chords-pro-songwriting/id1056176667?mt=8 http://odesi.mixedinkey.com/ Free but IAP for midi export and new instrument

  • BiancaNeveBiancaNeve
    edited May 2016

    ChaiOS 2

    CHAiOS SYNTH 2 by Per Loenicker
    https://appsto.re/gb/Ymg2_.i

    Quite fun and On the bus

  • Salamander69Salamander69

    @RustiK said:

    @skiphunt said:

    @j_liljedahl said:
    Gestrument allows a lot of randomization, and is mainly a "MIDI controller instrument" but also has some built-in sounds.

    This comment finally triggered an a-ha moment for me. I've been mostly lost trying to figure out midi connection stuff, but am slowly getting a better understanding of it all.

    I'd always thought of gestrument as its own instrument with its own set of built-in sounds, not as a midi controller per se.

    Yes, I knew it has midi settings, but the level of control seemed too daunting and could never get anything connected.

    The problem was I was always generally trying to connect external synths instead of enabling a new intrument and connecting to that.

    After reading this post I gave it another go. This time enabling new instruments and connecting several string-like patchs from the DRC synth (since I find its midi controls clear, straight forward, and intuitive).

    Then set the rhythm randomness at 100%, pitch fluctuation at about 75%, and infinite play. That created some random, incredibly beautiful progressions. I'm begining to see this already stellar app in a whole new light.

    Also, +1 for Xynthesizr. I can spend hours playing & experimenting in this one. More hit and miss in that it can get way too randomly chaotic very easily, but can also get awesome happy accidents with it as well.

    Intrigued as well

    Gonna do update IAP

    Yes! I 'get it now' too. Didn't quite see it before as generative. Thanks @j_liljedahl, and @skiphunt. And set to Hold and I can 'walk away' for a bit and fiddle with, eg, the synth that's Gestrument's playing via MIDI Out. Cool

  • kobamotokobamoto

    this is a great thread

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    Pure Data + Mobmuplat or Zmors. Not for the faint hearted though :)

  • u0421793u0421793

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    …
    Why you don't try Quincy.
    …

    I’ve had Quincy for a long time, but I have recently realised that I can see no relationship, none at all, between what I hear and what I see. I can also find no way of deciding what sound will be made upon which visual condition. I now consider it to be an app that shows an animated Conway’s Game of Life visual display, while it plays its own music along to that. There is very little correlation between what you see and what you hear, other than that the choice of starting “seed” and the choice of type of music seem vaguely linked from the start. At a finer ongoing level for each step or each position, there is no correlation and no way of defining a meaningful correlation between sound and vision.

  • skiphuntskiphunt

    @BiancaNeve said:
    ChaiOS 2

    CHAiOS SYNTH 2 by Per Loenicker
    https://appsto.re/gb/Ymg2_.i

    Quite fun and On the bus

    Picked this up today on your mention. Tried the free one first. At first seems limited in sound variation, but after you get to tweaking, it starts to open up a good deal. Fun too! Thanks for the rec. :)

    Used it on a little thingy while trying to figure Takete out...

  • NavichordNavichord

    @grego68 said:
    https://itunes.apple.com/cn/app/odesi-chords-pro-songwriting/id1056176667?mt=8 http://odesi.mixedinkey.com/ Free but IAP for midi export and new instrument

    Looks like an interesting app. A bit like Yamaha Music Sequencer but easier to use, will check it out. Thanks!

  • ReidReid

    My favorite app with a patch randomizer is Magellan. Underneath the "Spawn" buttons there is a link to "Prefs" Here you find sliders for Bass, Lead, Pad, and Weird. You can adjust them yourself or just push the buttons on the bottom and get random settings. If you want an arp, you select a scale. Then push the spawn button as many times as you want until you get a patch you like. Or you can forget about everything and push the "Surprise Me" button.

    My favorite app right now for getting musical ideas randomly is Blocs Wave.

  • sonosaurussonosaurus

    DrumJam is not generative but it has randomize features to give different combinations of percussion elements and variations. If you press and hold the buttons you can enable auto-randomize which will periodically (also with random period) trigger randomize. You can lock down any parts you don't want to change, and restrict which instruments might show up.

    Plus on the pads area there is the random Bedlam effects.

  • chimp_spannerchimp_spanner

    @Reid said:
    My favorite app with a patch randomizer is Magellan. Underneath the "Spawn" buttons there is a link to "Prefs" Here you find sliders for Bass, Lead, Pad, and Weird. You can adjust them yourself or just push the buttons on the bottom and get random settings. If you want an arp, you select a scale. Then push the spawn button as many times as you want until you get a patch you like. Or you can forget about everything and push the "Surprise Me" button.

    My favorite app right now for getting musical ideas randomly is Blocs Wave.

    This is great info dude - was aware that Magellan had randomisation but I had never looked inside prefs. Thanks!!

  • nicknick

    @u0421793 said:

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    …
    Why you don't try Quincy.
    …

    I’ve had Quincy for a long time, but I have recently realised that I can see no relationship, none at all, between what I hear and what I see. I can also find no way of deciding what sound will be made upon which visual condition. I now consider it to be an app that shows an animated Conway’s Game of Life visual display, while it plays its own music along to that. There is very little correlation between what you see and what you hear, other than that the choice of starting “seed” and the choice of type of music seem vaguely linked from the start. At a finer ongoing level for each step or each position, there is no correlation and no way of defining a meaningful correlation between sound and vision.

    I have come to the same conclusion about Quincy, it seems to be completely arbitrary and not related to what you draw. Which is a pity because I like the concept otherwise.

  • Kaikoo2Kaikoo2
    edited May 2016

    @nick said:

    @u0421793 said:

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    …
    Why you don't try Quincy.
    …

    I’ve had Quincy for a long time, but I have recently realised that I can see no relationship, none at all, between what I hear and what I see. I can also find no way of deciding what sound will be made upon which visual condition. I now consider it to be an app that shows an animated Conway’s Game of Life visual display, while it plays its own music along to that. There is very little correlation between what you see and what you hear, other than that the choice of starting “seed” and the choice of type of music seem vaguely linked from the start. At a finer ongoing level for each step or each position, there is no correlation and no way of defining a meaningful correlation between sound and vision.

    I have come to the same conclusion about Quincy, it seems to be completely arbitrary and not related to what you draw. Which is a pity because I like the concept otherwise.

    I have an idea in mind, using midiflow app to remap notes condition to have a meaningful Conway's life when playing Quincy. It might give a particular rhythm. Just a thought. Uncorrelated becomes correlated.

  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]

    @sonosaurus said:
    DrumJam is not generative but it has randomize features to give different combinations of percussion elements and variations. If you press and hold the buttons you can enable auto-randomize which will periodically (also with random period) trigger randomize. You can lock down any parts you don't want to change, and restrict which instruments might show up.

    Plus on the pads area there is the random Bedlam effects.

    Thanks for an especial info, good to know.

  • chimp_spannerchimp_spanner

    @sonosaurus said:
    DrumJam is not generative but it has randomize features to give different combinations of percussion elements and variations. If you press and hold the buttons you can enable auto-randomize which will periodically (also with random period) trigger randomize. You can lock down any parts you don't want to change, and restrict which instruments might show up.

    Plus on the pads area there is the random Bedlam effects.

    Tried DrumJam...instantly bought all the packs. Amazing app. Only thing missing (unless it's there and I can't find it) is swing. Otherwise, really really good app. Thanks so much for the recommendation. Never would've found this gem.

  • sonosaurussonosaurus

    @chimp_spanner said:

    @sonosaurus said:
    DrumJam is not generative but it has randomize features to give different combinations of percussion elements and variations. If you press and hold the buttons you can enable auto-randomize which will periodically (also with random period) trigger randomize. You can lock down any parts you don't want to change, and restrict which instruments might show up.

    Plus on the pads area there is the random Bedlam effects.

    Tried DrumJam...instantly bought all the packs. Amazing app. Only thing missing (unless it's there and I can't find it) is swing. Otherwise, really really good app. Thanks so much for the recommendation. Never would've found this gem.

    Great, glad you like it!

    As for swing, you can add it for live pad playing (see the controls next to the pads, it might be with the repeat divisions), but not for the loops. Since they are audio recordings we would need to do some fancy live dynamic time-stretching to impart swing and it may not translate well to all parts/variations.

  • chimp_spannerchimp_spanner

    Oh damn didn't realise you were the dev :) understood about the swing thing. Again, amazing work. Really inspiring.

  • 1P181P18

    SunVox has some pattern effects for randomization: note probability, note probability with random velocity, set module controller value (like say a filter frequency) to a random number within a certain range.

    That last one in particular, when combined with all the other possibilities in SunVox, is potentially very powerful.

  • BartlinuxBartlinux

    @pierre said:
    Synth:
    stria
    pulsaret
    magellan
    Elastic drums

    Midi:
    chordbot
    chordpolypad
    steppolyarp
    noatikl
    Thesys
    bassline
    fugue machine (somehow)

    Egoist has good randomisation features too

    Hi, sorry I'm a little bit confused, can somewhere shows me where its the Randomize Function in Baseline and Fugue Machine? I find this not, sorry.

  • pierrepierre
    edited May 2016

    Fugue machine doesn't have a randomize function, but the concept of the app lead to some sort of randomization as result (happy harmonization incidents), that's why I wrote "somehow" btw

    bassline on the other hand has randomize pitch, gate and slide in the sequencer

    @Bartlinux said:

    Hi, sorry I'm a little bit confused, can somewhere shows me where its the Randomize Function in Baseline and Fugue Machine? I find this not, sorry.

  • u0421793u0421793
    edited May 2016

    Actually (and I’m using it at this very moment [1]), Oscilab kind of falls into not quite but almost generative and random, without technically being either. I say that because it is thoroughly impossible to compose with it with any intent. All you can do is “discover” by acceptance or rejection what it gives you. Mostly on any other app when we’re using generative or random features, that’s the end result we’re after, too — exercising our veto.

    [1] Using an Oscilab channel to control iVCS3 with Oscilab’s filter and amp midi control change signals, too. Jolly good.

  • hellquisthellquist

    Have we mentioned Caelestis (and Poly)?
    Also, Musyc Pro I guess.

  • Matt_Fletcher_2000Matt_Fletcher_2000
    edited May 2016

    I created a TB Midi Stuff template a while back.

    It had a slider for every single midi cc number used by Gadget (although you could simply make one with all 127 cc numbers if you want to use it with other synths).

    TB Midi Stuff has a 'randomise all values' function.

    You can therefore point this template at ANY synth that has fixed cc values (or midi learn them) and hit randomise to create a random patch.

    You can also get clever and disable certain sliders (e.g. those that relate to pitch, output volume, or the ADSR etc) so that you can start to only randomise a subset of patch parameters.

    I've made many interesting patches this way in different Gadget synths.

    Edit: here it is, attached. You'll need to know your way around TB Midi stuff a little bit to use it. (I haven't used it in about a year by the way).

  • ReidReid

    I read about the YouCompose app in this discussion while I was lying around in bed this morning. Downloaded it, and then wrote this while I was doing the tutorial. It took a few minutes. Mixing in Auria took longer of course. Thanks @kobamoto

  • chimp_spannerchimp_spanner

    Youcompose is just fantastic. Wow. I kinda had mixed feelings about it but you've still gotta know what you're putting in to know what to get out. Incredible writing aid. Any more like this?

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