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Cubasis 1.9.9 / Cubasis LE 1.9.9 updates available

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  • @Rich303 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @LFS said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Hmmm...

    I appreciate alot that Steinberg regular update Cubasis...

    And, Cubasis for iPad has many strong features and feels like an Pro app...

    But, yes, there's a but... Why why why can't Steinberg fix the extremely irritating zoom behavior in the editor (editing MIDI-notes)??

    If you put two fingers on a note and pinch out (zooming in) you expect that the specific note will be in the center of the zooming...
    But, not in Cubasis... If you put two finger on the window in editing modes you can't ever control where you're going in the timeline... Grrr!

    This "bug" is very very old and discussed earlier in this forum...

    As previously stated, possible improvements of the zooming behaviour will be evaluated for the next Cubasis update!

    Cubasis is updated on a constant basis with our user's expectations in mind.
    If the behaviour can be improved in time and at manageable effort and expense we'll have it included in the next update.

    Best,
    Lars

    Hello again Lars:

    As mentioned I appreciate the update and really appreciate you coming by and putting up with the occasional pies we throw at you :)

    To add another drop in the accumulated bucket of user responses, the Zoom in your product is why I so rarely use it. I open it every week and love lots of the design, love the functionality, the flexibility, but this one thing (and it really is the only thing) has stopped me from making Cubasis my DAW of choice. So far.

    Again, please, I am not bitching, just want to make sure that when your team is evaluating their next steps in progress they fully value how much of a tangible benefit to users intuitive and productive zoom functionality would be. I firmly believe it is biggest piece of low-lying fruit and the thing that would best leverage all the other hard work you've done so far.

    Great update and +1 for hoping the zoom bug gets fixed next time.

    Rich303, it's not a "bug", it's programmed to act weird like this...

    As I remember earlier Lars from Steinberg mentioned that an reprogramming of the fingergesture behavior could jeopardize alot of the whole Cubasis...
    I think you will find this statement somewhere in the forum history here on Audiobus...

  • LFSLFS
    edited May 2016

    Thanks for all your positive comments regarding the 1.9.9 update and the controversial zooming discussion ... ;)

    With Cubasis it is our aim to find the best balance in giving our users the best mix of new features and improvements for existing topics.

    With 1.9.9 you have seen a great number of improvements/fixes, including the solution to the nasty noise bug that was in for quite some time and took a lot of efforts for us to catch. To save time (and possibly address issues more quickly) it would have been very helpful for us to receive clear reports from our users that did not happen unfortunately. Luckily we have been able to find a clear repro ourselves in resolving the issue.

    Topics are carefully evaluated by our engineering and the team, some of them can be rolled in quickly, others are more complex and take time.

    As mentioned long time before, zooming improvement will be monitored/evaluated for the next update of Cubasis.

    Cubasis offers lots of great options to put the focus on making music and capture songs and bring it to perfection easy and quickly. In my opinion, it would be a shame to hold back to use the app just because of the zoom behaviour.

    Have a great time being creative and making music!

    Best,
    Lars

  • @LFS said: In my opinion, it would be a shame to hold back to use the app just because of the zoom behaviour.

    My opinion too... but happy to read that it will be improved.

  • Hi there Lars @LFS
    Thanks for all the improvements and bug fixes provided with this upgrade.
    However I have a couple of questions and comments to your last post:

    Why do you regard the zoom discussion "controversial" ?
    Hasn't the zoom functionality been regarded a major issue by users/reviewers since day 1?

    Anyway it's not that I'm holding back on using Cubasis. I use it a lot. It's just the editing functionalities (for me primarily MIDI) that I find frustratingly tricky, forcing me to use other tools for that. Which is a shame.

    Best wishes and thanks again for a great app.

  • LFSLFS
    edited May 2016

    @DeVlaeminck said:
    Hi there Lars @
    Anyway it's not that I'm holding back on using Cubasis. I use it a lot. It's just the editing functionalities (for me primarily MIDI) that I find frustratingly tricky, forcing me to use other tools for that. Which is a shame.

    Great to hear!
    We're with you and all other users regarding the zoom behavior and will try to address it next to new feature additions with the next update!

    Best,
    Lars

  • RP-1 as AU effect in Cubasis is still messed up.
    Can´t access the middle dial, and all the other dials don´t work.

  • LFSLFS
    edited May 2016

    @dreamrobe said:
    RP-1 as AU effect in Cubasis is still messed up.
    Can´t access the middle dial, and all the other dials don´t work.

    Hi dreamrobe,

    I suggest to get in touch with NUM3RICAL Audio regarding the topic, to find out where problems are related.
    We're happy to exchange and provide a Cubasis promo code to assist, if required.

    Update: Have sent Kai/Markus from NUM3RICAL Audio a short eMail note

    Best,
    Lars

  • edited May 2016

    Lars,

    Here's a bit of user feedback for you, I bought Cubasis with a view to finding a DAW that I was comfortable with on iOS and I do think Cubasis is very good, in lots of ways.

    I've spent a fair bit of time acquainting myself with it and now that I'm at the point where I'm thinking of really starting to use it, the zoom behaviour issue has pretty much thrown a spanner in the works. To me, the zoom behaviour is not logical - it just doesn't zoom to where you would expect it to. It certainly would make my workflow less than straightforward in the piano roll.

    It's a primary issue in my view.

  • Hi Lars. I know it's nothing to do with Cubasis, but is there any chance that your boys could update Nanologe please? It's such an excellent app. ;)

  • @ErrkaPetti said:
    Hmmm...

    I appreciate alot that Steinberg regular update Cubasis...

    And, Cubasis for iPad has many strong features and feels like an Pro app...

    But, yes, there's a but... Why why why can't Steinberg fix the extremely irritating zoom behavior in the editor (editing MIDI-notes)??

    If you put two fingers on a note and pinch out (zooming in) you expect that the specific note will be in the center of the zooming...
    But, not in Cubasis... If you put two finger on the window in editing modes you can't ever control where you're going in the timeline... Grrr!

    This "bug" is very very old and discussed earlier in this forum...

    Ever the contrarian, but if I pinch out on a note to zoom in, it stays precisely in the middle - admittedly I have to pay attention to what I am doing and it is easy to let the note drift from centre, but I use Cubasis all the time and careful pinch movement gives you what you want. Whilst Cubasis is not perfect, I have tried most of the DAWs on ios and still come back to Cubasis as being, for me, the least irritating.

  • @dreamrobe said:
    RP-1 as AU effect in Cubasis is still messed up.
    Can´t access the middle dial, and all the other dials don´t work.

    Kai from NUM3RICAL Audio is equipped with a promo code to test RP-1 within Cubasis.

    Furthermore he told me that there are some issues with the way the layout scales across different hosts and devices and that they hope to ship an update soon.

    Best,
    Lars

  • @LFS said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    RP-1 as AU effect in Cubasis is still messed up.
    Can´t access the middle dial, and all the other dials don´t work.

    Kai from NUM3RICAL Audio is equipped with a promo code to test RP-1 within Cubasis.

    Furthermore he told me that there are some issues with the way the layout scales across different hosts and devices and that they hope to ship an update soon.

    Best,
    Lars

    Thank you very much Lars :-)

  • I like it when developers help each other out :) everybody wins.

  • @BiancaNeve said:
    I like it when developers help each other out :) everybody wins.

    Indeed...

  • @Nickl said:

    @ErrkaPetti said:
    Hmmm...

    I appreciate alot that Steinberg regular update Cubasis...

    And, Cubasis for iPad has many strong features and feels like an Pro app...

    But, yes, there's a but... Why why why can't Steinberg fix the extremely irritating zoom behavior in the editor (editing MIDI-notes)??

    If you put two fingers on a note and pinch out (zooming in) you expect that the specific note will be in the center of the zooming...
    But, not in Cubasis... If you put two finger on the window in editing modes you can't ever control where you're going in the timeline... Grrr!

    This "bug" is very very old and discussed earlier in this forum...

    Ever the contrarian, but if I pinch out on a note to zoom in, it stays precisely in the middle - admittedly I have to pay attention to what I am doing and it is easy to let the note drift from centre, but I use Cubasis all the time and careful pinch movement gives you what you want. Whilst Cubasis is not perfect, I have tried most of the DAWs on ios and still come back to Cubasis as being, for me, the least irritating.

    +1

  • @LFS said:

    @DeVlaeminck said:
    Hi there Lars @
    Anyway it's not that I'm holding back on using Cubasis. I use it a lot. It's just the editing functionalities (for me primarily MIDI) that I find frustratingly tricky, forcing me to use other tools for that. Which is a shame.

    Great to hear!
    We're with you and all other users regarding the zoom behavior and will try to address it next to new feature additions with the next update!

    Best,
    Lars

    This is good to hear.

  • Thanks for the update! I love this DAW so much! It's my go to for getting things done and fast. Especially how it works perfectly with Inf Looper. :D

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @LFS said:

    @DeVlaeminck said:
    Hi there Lars @
    Anyway it's not that I'm holding back on using Cubasis. I use it a lot. It's just the editing functionalities (for me primarily MIDI) that I find frustratingly tricky, forcing me to use other tools for that. Which is a shame.

    Great to hear!
    We're with you and all other users regarding the zoom behavior and will try to address it next to new feature additions with the next update!

    Best,
    Lars

    This is good to hear.

    I'd even say: very good to hear.

  • Zoom bug? I just assumed that was the way it was meant to work, I've just gotten used to it. Can't say it's a massive problem and it certainly doesn't stop the creativity.

    Thanks for the update Team! :-)

  • In case, you've missed this one...

    Music App Blog has a Cubasis giveaway running:
    http://musicappblog.com/cubasis-giveaway-2/

    Good luck!

    Lars

  • Hello Lars,
    Can you tell us more about "Yamaha Synths and Steinberg are pleased to announce a collaboration for song creators: reface compatibility with Cubasis LE to easily record your ideas."

  • LFSLFS
    edited May 2016

    @Johnba said:
    Hello Lars,
    Can you tell us more about "Yamaha Synths and Steinberg are pleased to announce a collaboration for song creators: reface compatibility with Cubasis LE to easily record your ideas."

    Hi Johnba,

    Yamaha's reface series can be used to unlock Cubasis LE.
    Download the free app from iTunes, connect reface to unlock and make music!

    Best,
    Lars

  • @Nu2moro said: Zoom bug? I just assumed that was the way it was meant to work, I've just gotten used to it. Can't say it's a massive problem and it certainly doesn't stop the creativity.

    It stops the creativity if you give up, which some have, and it definitely slows creativity if you edit midi very often. I'm glad you were able to get used to it. I've gotten used to my new hairline. But user interfaces are supposed to work with as few actions as possible. Every single time I try to zoom I have to swipe an additional two to three times. In almost every other aspect Cubasis is a exemplary example of thoughtful UI design, which I suppose is why this issue is so glaring and in need of change. In short— please don't slow our roll. We've been trying to get this addressed for what, three years? and finally seem to be getting somewhere.

    @LFS BTW— Thanks so much for coming on here and listening. It's pretty obvious by now there are technical hurdles in implementing this particular change, and that it's no mere bug, but I guarantee it will pay dividends in the long run.

  • @aaronpc said:

    @Nu2moro said: Zoom bug? I just assumed that was the way it was meant to work, I've just gotten used to it. Can't say it's a massive problem and it certainly doesn't stop the creativity.

    It stops the creativity if you give up, which some have, and it definitely slows creativity if you edit midi very often. I'm glad you were able to get used to it. I've gotten used to my new hairline. But user interfaces are supposed to work with as few actions as possible. Every single time I try to zoom I have to swipe an additional two to three times. In almost every other aspect Cubasis is a exemplary example of thoughtful UI design, which I suppose is why this issue is so glaring and in need of change. In short— please don't slow our roll. We've been trying to get this addressed for what, three years? and finally seem to be getting somewhere.

    @LFS BTW— Thanks so much for coming on here and listening. It's pretty obvious by now there are technical hurdles in implementing this particular change, and that it's no mere bug, but I guarantee it will pay dividends in the long run.

    I take your point as I have been in similar situations when idiosyncrasies of software have stopped me using it. I hadn't realised this was such a long term problem as I'm relatively new to Cubasis on the iPad. I can't imagine a company like Steinburg with the reputation it has will just do nothing about it, hopefully ver2 will solve more problems and create new possibilities to be creative.

  • Nu2moro: Yeah! This is the final step before 2.0. It's gonna be something!

  • edited May 2016

    @dreamrobe
    Thanks for the heads up with RP-1, didn't know about that one. It's rather nice!
    AU is not working at all in this app as it is broken also in Multritrack studio.

  • Just FYI for those on the fence with Cubasis. I truly love how easy it is to stream Midi into separate tracks in Cubasis. I just used Guitarism to send three Midi tracks into Cubasis in reaaltime. Track 1 rythm electric patch being played back by Bs16i,
    Track 2 Bass guitar patch played by Bs16i, and track 3 Pad also played B Bs16i. All recorded in real time as I steummed and played chord in Guitarism!
    By the way, all instruments are hosted in AUM with effects and all. Cubasis decided all midi faithfully. I really love this app! It really makes a huge difference to record midi instead of audio as it saves tons of space. The only one I couldn't record as midi was Rock Drum Machine.
    But for recording midi and audio Cubasis rocks!

  • LFSLFS
    edited May 2016

    @dreamrobe said:

    @LFS said:

    @dreamrobe said:
    RP-1 as AU effect in Cubasis is still messed up.
    Can´t access the middle dial, and all the other dials don´t work.

    Kai from NUM3RICAL Audio is equipped with a promo code to test RP-1 within Cubasis.

    Furthermore he told me that there are some issues with the way the layout scales across different hosts and devices and that they hope to ship an update soon.

    Best,
    Lars

    Thank you very much Lars :-)

    Kai from NUM3RICAL informed me that the RP-1 AU issue seems to be sorted at their end and that an update is in the works.

    Best,
    Lars

  • @Tones4Christ said:
    Just FYI for those on the fence with Cubasis. I truly love how easy it is to stream Midi into separate tracks in Cubasis. I just used Guitarism to send three Midi tracks into Cubasis in reaaltime. Track 1 rythm electric patch being played back by Bs16i,
    Track 2 Bass guitar patch played by Bs16i, and track 3 Pad also played B Bs16i. All recorded in real time as I steummed and played chord in Guitarism!
    By the way, all instruments are hosted in AUM with effects and all. Cubasis decided all midi faithfully. I really love this app! It really makes a huge difference to record midi instead of audio as it saves tons of space. The only one I couldn't record as midi was Rock Drum Machine.
    But for recording midi and audio Cubasis rocks!

    Tones, can I ask a favor? The next time you find yourself using this setup, would you take a few screen grabs to show exactly what your routing is? I'm totally drawn to Cubasis, but I admit to being swayed by those who prefer Auria or ModStep. (Those apps seem cooler? It's juvenile, I can't explain.) But Cubasis is the app that always works for me, so I would love to approximate your workflow.

    I _kind of___ understand why you load your apps in AB or AUM first...but part of me sees this as an extra layer. A diagram would help me greatly.

    I, like the great Ted Lasso*, am a visual learner.

    *Not expecting a TON of overlap between digitial music makers, Jason Sudekis fans and American acolytes of English soccer. But if you fall within that Venn diagram's sweet spot, you'll know that was a really funny joke.

  • A zoom bug! And all this time I thought it was just me! I use the Cubasis midi editor quite a bit and I guess I get around it just by my natural ability to scroll every-which-way and then eventually find what I'm looking for. But that's also true with some others apps as well, so it is partially user error for me. (I am mostly on an iPad-mini2). Actually this zoom issue doesn't hamper me too much, but it would be great to see a solution.

    I have to say that I'm quite pleased with the updates and enhancements that have been made to Cubasis over its lifespan.. This last year we've seen improved audio effects, the addition of a sampler, some new instruments, and AU hosting...quite some change. Cubasis is a workhorse of an app and has been a very solid performer for me...and I hope this continues for a long time, a very long time.

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