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Infinite/Aleph Looper 1.3 update -- piano roll editing improvements

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  • @AudioGus said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @raindro said:

    @AudioGus said:
    Does this work with Studiomux or only musicIO?

    I'm sure it works with both. I just posted about musicIO cause it's the same developer. I kinda feel bad about mentioning my problems though cause this is a totally different program.

    AFAIK, it should work with Studiomux. For musicIO, we're wrangling with some DAW-specific headaches; for some, things work like a champ, and for others, it's a lot of grief. We're getting support requests for DAW versions that went off the market years ago -- so there's no way to get a copy for testing, and no way to know what's broken. It's turned into a much bigger can of worms than it looked like, but we're slogging through it.

    Cool, I will probably try it. Does Infinite Looper support midi clock? I would love to hit play in PC daw land and have it sync up nice. If not I suppose I could just export the midi file. Would be nice to sync it up with Patterning in Studiomux though.

    No MIDI clock currently, but that'll probably happen soon. I've been more focused on Ableton Link, as that actually seems to work most of the time (unlike MIDI clock....).

  • edited May 2016

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    No MIDI clock currently, but that'll probably happen soon. I've been more focused on Ableton Link, as that actually seems to work most of the time (unlike MIDI clock....).

    Totaly understandable. I hope someone makes a windows midi clock / Link utility for enabling daws.

  • @AudioGus said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    No MIDI clock currently, but that'll probably happen soon. I've been more focused on Ableton Link, as that actually seems to work most of the time (unlike MIDI clock....).

    Totaly understandable. I hope someone makes a windows midi clock / Link utility for enabling daws.

    I guess it is a pretty far chance: by now ableton is spreading link just to iOS devs but keeping it for themselves when it comes to desktop. And that's totally fair from my point of view. Even if I would go bonkers if it could be implemented into Reaper.

  • @mschenkel.it said:

    I guess it is a pretty far chance: by now ableton is spreading link just to iOS devs but keeping it for themselves when it comes to desktop. And that's totally fair from my point of view. Even if I would go bonkers if it could be implemented into Reaper.

    now that I think about it even if there were a pc link app, I would then be wanting Link through USB, sigh it never ends, heh.

    What I ultimately want is to be able to plug my ipad into my laptop via one usb cable and then play/sequence/record midi on my PC daw with a friendly app like Infinite Looper. But I guess being able to just play/sequence will be ok, then a quick midi export. I will give it a whirl and see how she goes.

  • I actually managed to get my DAW Linked with iconnectmidi2, midi to link sync and a couple of iPad, one cabled and the other just on the wifi. Not the perfect workaround tho.

  • edited May 2016

    @SecretBaseDesign ,

    I use Animoog for recording by using internal keyboard and I noticed I have only red the recording and play buttons on top with an empty looping track. Then why the notes pressed by keyboard can be recorded? I did not arming the track loop to be orange colored. What is my mistake?

    iOS9.32 Air2

  • @Kaikoo2 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign ,

    I use Animoog for recording by using internal keyboard and I noticed I have only red the recording and play buttons on top with an empty looping track. Then why the notes pressed by keyboard can be recorded? I did not arming the track loop to be orange colored. What is my mistake?

    iOS9.32 Air2

    Sounds like a bug in my code, if I'm understanding this right -- so both the top play and record buttons are turned on, and you have not selected a loop for recording. Then, notes get recorded anyway (on some loop)?

    My guess is I have not toggled off the recording destination correctly, somewhere -- I'll try to dig through my code to find it, and will fix this in the next update.

  • edited May 2016

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @Kaikoo2 said:
    @SecretBaseDesign ,

    I use Animoog for recording by using internal keyboard and I noticed I have only red the recording and play buttons on top with an empty looping track. Then why the notes pressed by keyboard can be recorded? I did not arming the track loop to be orange colored. What is my mistake?

    iOS9.32 Air2

    Sounds like a bug in my code, if I'm understanding this right -- so both the top play and record buttons are turned on, and you have not selected a loop for recording. Then, notes get recorded anyway (on some loop)?

    Correct.

    My guess is I have not toggled off the recording destination correctly, somewhere -- I'll try to dig through my code to find it, and will fix this in the next update.

    No problem. Updated to iOS9.32 could be the reason. Thank you, my developer.

  • Hey, hope this is ok thread to post. Can aleph looper work on ipad>? Can Infinite looper run on iPhone and ipad>?
    Sorry I'm confused. Is there a reason to get both apps? Thanks!

  • Ok, sorry I just went to official site. This is actually a non cryptic site like a lot of iOS sites. I love this company! Real info and videos I forgot they were pros.
    Oh and whats up with the new sidecar icade update which improves functionality? Thanks.

  • Hi -- the Aleph version is iPhone-only; it's designed as a low-cost version for folks who only want to run things on an iPhone. It will run on the iPad, but in the scaled iPhone-style configuration. I've made Infinite Looper universal -- so you only need that if you want to run on both. There's bundle pricing, so that if you get the iPhone version, and want to upgrade to iPad, it doesn't cost you anything extra (beyond the Infinite Looper price).

    WRT Sidecar -- cleaned up the iCade support a bit, and some UI tweaks to make it easier to see what's going on....

  • So, the iphone version has tha same features that universal app?

  • @SecretBaseDesign Thanks, super stuff as always.

  • @fjcblanco said:
    So, the iphone version has tha same features that universal app?

    Aleph Looper is the same as Infinite Looper, except it's iPhone only. You can run Aleph on an iPad; just not as nice of a layout. On the iPhone, you can see three tracks at a time, but have to scroll left/right to get to all six. With AirDrop, it should be easy to transfer projects from one device to another (and Dropbox works too, when AirDrop misbehaves).

    And for Sidecar -- the iPad version does the slide-over/side-by-side trick, while mini, which is iPhone, doesn't do that (because the phone doesn't do it, of course!).

    A bunch of our apps are on sale for the 4th; price goes back up tomorrow. And we've got a few things queued up for release at the end of the week, and with luck and coffee, an IL update with a better piano roll happening early next week.

  • Thanks for the clean explanation. I think I'll go for Aleph and, if I use it more than as usual, I won't claim for upgrading even at full price.

    Have a nice day!

  • @SecretBaseDesign said:

    Aleph Looper is the same as Infinite Looper, except it's iPhone only. You can run Aleph on an iPad; just not as nice of a layout. On the iPhone, you can see three tracks at a time, but have to scroll left/right to get to all six. With AirDrop, it should be easy to transfer projects from one device to another (and Dropbox works too, when AirDrop misbehaves).

    And for Sidecar -- the iPad version does the slide-over/side-by-side trick, while mini, which is iPhone, doesn't do that (because the phone doesn't do it, of course!).

    A bunch of our apps are on sale for the 4th; price goes back up tomorrow. And we've got a few things queued up for release at the end of the week, and with luck and coffee, an IL update with a better piano roll happening early next week.

    All of this is excellent news...especially the piano roll update!
    Good luck!!!

  • @fjcblanco said:
    Thanks for the clean explanation. I think I'll go for Aleph and, if I use it more than as usual, I won't claim for upgrading even at full price.

    Have a nice day!

    There's a bundle -- so if you upgrade, go that route (you wind up paying the same total amount as the regular universal Infinite amount). I wish Apple would have a try-before-you-buy option; the low-priced Aleph seems like the closest I can get to making that happen.

  • @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @fjcblanco said:
    So, the iphone version has tha same features that universal app?

    Aleph Looper is the same as Infinite Looper, except it's iPhone only. You can run Aleph on an iPad; just not as nice of a layout. On the iPhone, you can see three tracks at a time, but have to scroll left/right to get to all six. With AirDrop, it should be easy to transfer projects from one device to another (and Dropbox works too, when AirDrop misbehaves).

    And for Sidecar -- the iPad version does the slide-over/side-by-side trick, while mini, which is iPhone, doesn't do that (because the phone doesn't do it, of course!).

    A bunch of our apps are on sale for the 4th; price goes back up tomorrow. And we've got a few things queued up for release at the end of the week, and with luck and coffee, an IL update with a better piano roll happening early next week.

    Well done! More coffee! PIANO ROLL!!!! (What dya mean expectations are too high?)

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @fjcblanco said:
    So, the iphone version has tha same features that universal app?

    Aleph Looper is the same as Infinite Looper, except it's iPhone only. You can run Aleph on an iPad; just not as nice of a layout. On the iPhone, you can see three tracks at a time, but have to scroll left/right to get to all six. With AirDrop, it should be easy to transfer projects from one device to another (and Dropbox works too, when AirDrop misbehaves).

    And for Sidecar -- the iPad version does the slide-over/side-by-side trick, while mini, which is iPhone, doesn't do that (because the phone doesn't do it, of course!).

    A bunch of our apps are on sale for the 4th; price goes back up tomorrow. And we've got a few things queued up for release at the end of the week, and with luck and coffee, an IL update with a better piano roll happening early next week.

    Well done! More coffee! PIANO ROLL!!!! (What dya mean expectations are too high?)

    Yep. Very excited about the new scale lock. And hopefully the piano roll getting a zoom.

    [If I'm being greedy I'd love sidecar to get that midi cc display/persistence on each of its midi cc pads.

    And one day, copy and paste on IL clips would be nice. Plus the ability to extend or reduce clip length. ]

    IL + sidecar on split screen basically then gets you the ultimate midi live playing interface with everything at your finger tips (keyboard, live clip play and nicely working assignable midi cc knobs).

  • Oh and if the piano roll could be restricted to a specific scale too, that would make things a lot easier :).

    Sorry :).

  • 1000000%! Yes.

    @Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @SecretBaseDesign said:

    @fjcblanco said:
    So, the iphone version has tha same features that universal app?

    Aleph Looper is the same as Infinite Looper, except it's iPhone only. You can run Aleph on an iPad; just not as nice of a layout. On the iPhone, you can see three tracks at a time, but have to scroll left/right to get to all six. With AirDrop, it should be easy to transfer projects from one device to another (and Dropbox works too, when AirDrop misbehaves).

    And for Sidecar -- the iPad version does the slide-over/side-by-side trick, while mini, which is iPhone, doesn't do that (because the phone doesn't do it, of course!).

    A bunch of our apps are on sale for the 4th; price goes back up tomorrow. And we've got a few things queued up for release at the end of the week, and with luck and coffee, an IL update with a better piano roll happening early next week.

    Well done! More coffee! PIANO ROLL!!!! (What dya mean expectations are too high?)

    Yep. Very excited about the new scale lock. And hopefully the piano roll getting a zoom.

    [If I'm being greedy I'd love sidecar to get that midi cc display/persistence on each of its midi cc pads.

    And one day, copy and paste on IL clips would be nice. Plus the ability to extend or reduce clip length. ]

    IL + sidecar on split screen basically then gets you the ultimate midi live playing interface with everything at your finger tips (keyboard, live clip play and nicely working assignable midi cc knobs).

  • I did buy Aleph Looper. It's not on the level as something like Gadget, but I thought the quanitzation and loop making capabilities were actually quite good, and it allows you to get that work out into a more full-featured DAW. Appreciated the more realistic approach to what the app does and how you might actually use it.

  • My honest opinion would be that functionality wise it's streets ahead of what it is UI and usability wise. The piano roll, particularly, could do with some love.

    But for live playing midi loops into its brilliant tool.

  • Version 1.3 of Infinite and Aleph Looper should be rolling out now.

    Big change in this version is to the piano roll editor. Select groups of notes to edit, and with the "magic wand" tool selected, you can move the notes (grab on the first 1/3 of a note), change volume (grab the middle), or change the length (grab the end). Should make moving things around and tweaking a lot easier.

    You can duplicate groups of notes with a new duplicator button (duplicated notes are automatically selected, and placed one semitone above). There's also a "hamburger" button that brings up more editing options -- select sets of notes, copy things, paste stuff, transpose, quantize, and so on. You can change the length of a loop in terms of measures, and duplicate the loop if you want.

    There's also zoom-in and zoom-out buttons. I had been working with a pinch-zoom thing, but that gets confused if you want to grab a bunch of notes, and then drag them to a different part of the loop. With the zoom-in/zoom-out button approach, you can grab the notes with one finger, and then scroll vertically or horizontally with the scroll bars (no ambiguity if you're grabbing to move, or if you're zooming).

    The horizontal scroll bar now shows the entire loop, so as you pan left and right, you'll have an idea of where you are. The piano roll should open viewing notes in the loop, so you don't need to scan vertically to find where you're at.

    Aleph is priced at a buck at the moment -- I've been using this as a way to entice people to try the app.... There's a bundle-upgrade that will add Infinite Looper (which is universal); so, a low financial risk way to try stuff out, and see if it's for you. Infinite and the bundle are down to $10 for a bit.

    There are a couple of big things that I was hoping to get into this release, but they're going to take a little more time to bake. My hope is to get all that stuff out for version 1.4, some time in mid September. Give me a yell if you've got questions, or see weirdness!

  • @SecretBaseDesign cool thanks. Just hooked Infinite Looper up to Phonem and gave the new piano roll a test run. Works great :)

  • @SecretBaseDesign said:
    Version 1.3 of Infinite and Aleph Looper should be rolling out now.

    Big change in this version is to the piano roll editor. Select groups of notes to edit, and with the "magic wand" tool selected, you can move the notes (grab on the first 1/3 of a note), change volume (grab the middle), or change the length (grab the end). Should make moving things around and tweaking a lot easier.

    You can duplicate groups of notes with a new duplicator button (duplicated notes are automatically selected, and placed one semitone above). There's also a "hamburger" button that brings up more editing options -- select sets of notes, copy things, paste stuff, transpose, quantize, and so on. You can change the length of a loop in terms of measures, and duplicate the loop if you want.

    There's also zoom-in and zoom-out buttons. I had been working with a pinch-zoom thing, but that gets confused if you want to grab a bunch of notes, and then drag them to a different part of the loop. With the zoom-in/zoom-out button approach, you can grab the notes with one finger, and then scroll vertically or horizontally with the scroll bars (no ambiguity if you're grabbing to move, or if you're zooming).

    The horizontal scroll bar now shows the entire loop, so as you pan left and right, you'll have an idea of where you are. The piano roll should open viewing notes in the loop, so you don't need to scan vertically to find where you're at.

    Aleph is priced at a buck at the moment -- I've been using this as a way to entice people to try the app.... There's a bundle-upgrade that will add Infinite Looper (which is universal); so, a low financial risk way to try stuff out, and see if it's for you. Infinite and the bundle are down to $10 for a bit.

    There are a couple of big things that I was hoping to get into this release, but they're going to take a little more time to bake. My hope is to get all that stuff out for version 1.4, some time in mid September. Give me a yell if you've got questions, or see weirdness!

    Had no plans for the evening, do now.

  • There is something special about this damn thing. It makes/feels things that other things don't thing. Somehow.

    Top work.

    And I like the effort and improvements you've made. Yes, I still find it disconcerting not to SEE a play head moving across the edit screen, but I make bits of noise here that I don't seem to make anywhere else.

  • @SecretBaseDesign Just as a quiet aside, I wanted to add a note (to the effect that, unlike Module, Animoog doesn't remember what patch it's playing etc and thus WHAT patch a particular piece was using) BUT unfortunately the iPad keyboard seemed to have no effect in the designated place. Perhaps I need to have something selected or perhaps it's a bug. Either way...

    You've really got something cooking here.

    Kudos and gracias.

    [Tried to send this as a PM, but messaging system failed].

  • Very nice. I just spent about two hours with the update and like it a lot. It took a bit to change habits with the piano roll, but once you get used to it, the way you've done things works well. I'm glad not to have two finger zoom backfires with notes scattered all over the place. :smile:

    I found myself wanting to pinch-zoom in the scroll bar, though, instead of tapping the buttons, but I think that's just the ol' brain being a little slow to re-train itself. A little bit of vertical zoom some day might be handy for more easily tapping in the right places.

    I liked this app from the first time I tried it, and it's just gotten a lot better! Thanks. B)

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