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Cinematic Film Soundtrack Stuff?
Hi,
It seems like most peeps here are into song creation, making beats, live performance, with musical focus.
Some are interested in experimental soundscape creation, which is closer to what I'm personally most interested in.
But what about cinematic soundtrack stuff and more sound design?
I'm watching the old French film from the 60's called La Jeteé at the moment. It's a short film made from still narrative images. It's soundtrack is a combination of narration, atmospheric recordings, and emotive accompaniment. Not really musical per se.
I've got a few apps that could be fun to use with sort of thing. Shoom would be really useful I think. Auria with the video module. The strange scaping apps like Fieldscaper, Soundscaper, iDensity, and Sparkle could be of use as well. And maybe Navichord with strings since I could somewhat play that one and almost sound like I knew what I was doing. 
Are there any other apps that come to mind that could be useful for non-musical, non-sequenced, non-beat centric narrative and/or experimental cinematic soundtrack design?
Based on the typical threads on this board, I may not be asking the appropriate crowd, but I figure there are likely at least a few here in the soundscape camp who might have good suggestions and also share my interest in more cinematic use of sound.
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To be honest for cinematic stuff I usually use kontakt libraries on my desktop. Between omnisphere2 and a few orchestral libraries I have everything I need there.
Yeah, there's a lot of good cinEmatic stuff & sweeping string beds in Logic Pro X and in all the old Apple Soundtrack packs that used to come with the Final Cut Suite.
I was just hoping to play more using the iPad while traveling if possible. Since they support 4K now, and since video editing with apps like Pinnacle Studio Pro are getting there, and of course the vast amount of sound apps now available... seems like you could potentially do some impressive stuff using an iPad alone. Could be wrong though.
What you need are samples rather than more apps. And some imagination with a good sample editor(which right now seems to be Auria for these kind of things). The real world is much richer soundwise than any kind of synthesis.
Yep , ^ this
I like to build up random synth washes too though , triggering them with apps like TC Data and Noatikl , which add a bit of musicality to the sample scapes
Yeah, Shoom and FieldScaper have that experimental movie soundtrack feel. I would add Borderlands Granular and TC-11.
For this kind of stuff, I use Samplr, some string or drones pad patches I made in iM1, and maybe the convolution reverb, Volcano & Timeless in Auria Pro to add movement & variation. Also, feeding non-percussive sounds into Sector & experimenting with pitching them way down can bring some unexpected-yet-welcome results.
I was going to say that @Cinebient used to make really impressive cinematic work but he seems to have deleted his profile. Shame, he was a nice and talented contributor.
Oh, and a good wavetable synth. I don't have one on iOS as I use my hardware Wavestation & Blofeld, but Nave might be a good bet.
Another one bites the dust
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I hope not. I know he did have quite serious health issues.
SpringSound
Yes. And you're right about me not needing any more apps (geez that got out of control fast)
I understand the samples answer, but I'm also talking about are the typical instrumental sounds you hear in soundtracks to help direct the emotion. Not music per se, but some strings, a little sub-bass drone there, etc.
Still, i think you're absolutely correct in that I don't really need anything else much other than imagination and good samples, or better yet... A good collection of my own ambient field recordings. I haven't tried Fieldscaper for this specifically yet (only mangled soundscape stuff) but I bet it would be spectacular for this kind of thing. Might be that's what it really made for.
Why do you highlight Auria as a sample editor specifically? Because of its video add-on module? I have Auria, but only the original with the extra video module. I looked at the upgraded "pro" version and didn't really see anything in there that I needed. I think the non-pro version is fine for me. would you agree?
He's still very active on KVR; indeed, he was chivvying Sean @ Valhalladsp to port his reverbs to IOS just yesterday.
I would also agree about not needing more apps, just using the ones that are available and a lot of experimentation and imagination.
I love Borderlands Granular and iDensity.
I took a recording of my old piano and ran it through iDensity and experimented with it.
This is a sample of what I did in Borderlands Granular. Not exactly sure what source fils I used but it was fun.
@carol don't have TC-Data or Notikl but I have other apps that might work similarly when triggering samplescapes. Thx
@firejan82 don't have TC-11 but you're right. I've got Borderlands and it would be great with Fieldscaper & Shoom. I read Borderlands was heavily used in the soundtrack design for the new Helen Mirren movie about military drones called Eye in the Sky.
@Jocphone another board this @cinebient might have wandered off to?
@sleepless I don't have the "pro" version of Auria. Could those things also be done in the original non-pro version? Good idea with non-percussion sounds in Sector. Will have to experiment with that as well as Samplr for non-musical use. Thx!
@JeffChasteen just read the description of springsound. Very interesting. Off to find sample or demo video. Thx
@Inikj what is KVR? (Never mind. Found it. Looks interesting. Registered. Thx)
@gmslayton exactly the kind of stuff I'm thinking about. Yep. Sounds like I need more imagination than apps at this point
off to check out more of your stuff. Thx
I agree about the use of samples for this type of work.
This was recorded back in October for a Bowie-themed noise/ambient compilation.
I used only voice snippets from "Peter and the Wolf", the little piano intro of "Changes", and the riff of "Rebel Rebel" processed with Samplewiz, iDensity, Sparkle, AudioStretch, and Convolution Reverb.
Good to know he is OK. Thanks @lnikj
Although slightly different because it is a generative music app, Moodscaper produces some stunningly beautiful "music" that can be perfect for that cinematic feel. The dev is working on inter-app connectivity now. I find it a perfect source for listening while reading etc. The rich samples and varying compositional engine sound just amazing. Well worth checking out.
Cinematic soundscapes generally speaking: long, varied and evolving. A lot of elements need to come in, get out, get twisted, disappear and so on to create that "cinematic" feeling. Also when putting in the mix instruments or melodies you'll be able to get better results thinking to every each sound as a object in space and time completely unrelated to the others but for the reason they share the same room to live in(as you've imagined Filedscaper is a perfect visualization of this concept, besides it's synth-y facilities).
Considering all of the above having an environment like a DAW where you can visually arrange the blocks of your soundscape both vertically(layering) and horizontally(rhythmically), being able to evaluate different contents of your bricks with a glance. And also doing that in a DAW helps when it comes to automations in a non-looping way.
Although now unavailable, I like using Alchemy Mobile for some moody tracks. I went all-in on the IAP's there, and there's a lot to choose from.
Probably the closest thing to it now available is SynthMaster Player.
For all of this sort of thing specifically, would you say Auria is the most accommodating DAW? I like the more minimalistic layout of Multitrack DAW, but it can be very frustrating for me & doesn't have the video component. I like the look of the UI in Cubasis, but it doesn't look like it has a video reference component either. Sounds like for the kind of work I'm describing on an iPad, Auria with the video reference module is the only game in town?
Yes. All cool. Discovered Hexaglyphics a while back. Love that gizmo.
@Seangarland Alchemy mobile that everyone loves and now gone, is before my time. But is it essentially the same as the Alchemy that comes with Logic Pro X now?
@sch added to my watch list. Thx
@JeffChasteen good call on springsound (hidden gem for sure) thx
I love Hexaglyphics for its Whitehouse, Lynchian, Throbbing Gristle vibe.
You're welcome. In turn, I would like to thank you for hipping me to Caelestis. It is a deceptively powerful little app.
Indeed. The dev said he's short on time & barely gets to work on his other app Poly (also excellent, but in a different way than Caelestis) and that apology is his sole focus now, so I bought the IAPs for Poly instead, but Caelestis is so unique, I'll likely just get the IAPs anyway and hope it keeps running for a good while.
@skiphunt Have you tried the Amazing Noises apps? There are free versions of DubFilter and GliderVerb.
Yes. I've got those and love them both. Kinda lump this in with apeFilter, idensity, sparkle, etc. the more I think about this, the more I have to agree that imagination, samples, field recordings, and time getting intimate with the right DAW is all I really need at this point... if I'm being honest.
Although, it's great discovering and learning new audio tools, at some point I've got to recognize I'm using the "discovering" and shopping as an excuse to avoid the creative stuff. Sad, but true I think. lol
@mschenkel.it revisited my Auria 2.0 with video module. Set up a test demo with the video's audio as its own track, mixed in some samples as the video reference played, then added a new track with an IAA instrument in the channel strip. Wanted to be able to play strings into the mix as I watched the video reference with the rest of the audio, but as you know... I don't have an external midi keyboard or controller yet.
However, I just used Midiflow to connect my iPhone to use as a controller or keyboard while I play the iPhone into the Auria track and watch the video module reference on the iPad. Worked great! I think with regard to DAWs, this is all I need at the moment. Although, an actual external keyboard and/or controller would be much better, I think I can get by just fine with this setup for now. Thx for setting me straight.
Good idea (;
btw, La Jetée is by Chris Marker, the big other from him (imho) is the scifi-documentary 'Sans Soleil' ...
Just watched La Jetée last night via Vimeo, but have the La Jetée/Sans Soleil double-feature in our Netflix queue.
Instead of looking at more apps
decided to go catch a flick at the discount cinema this afternoon.
Caught "10 Cloverfield Lane" (surprisingly very good, especially by the end) But, I watched/listened to the soundtrack specifically listening to see if any of the sounds could be effectively mimic'd with iOS apps.
Surprised that it sounded like the whole thing could've been done with many of the iOS apps I already have... gradually sweeping strings, shoom would've been very useful, etc. The only sounds that might have been tough with any of the apps I have (though I'm sure someone more skilled could certainly make do) would be the extremely low rumbling, fixture shaking sub-bass stuff. Steady drones of ultra low bass. Not sure which app, of what I have, could get even close to that low level sub-bass.
I will have to check that 10 Cloverfield Lane movie out.
It Follows had a pretty cool soundtrack, very intense and creepy, inspired by John Carpenter's soundtracks, I was sure I heard analogue synths but apparently that was all NI's Massive.