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Cinematic Film Soundtrack Stuff?

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  • Low sub rumble=get a decent sub otherwise no matter how and how hard you try, you'll never be able to catch it. A noise filtered at very low frequency(20-50 hz)with a high resonance could do. Distort and repeat to taste. Automate resonance amount.

  • @skiphunt Not sure if this is as low of a rumble as you are looking for but I recorded a few guitar notes into samplr. Pitched them down like -36, and used the bow settings. Recorded that then imported it into Borderlands for some more awesome app magic. Need a sub to really hear it. I am sure with some EQ you could shape the sound even more.

  • @firejan82 wasn't expecting much. The wife didn't even want to see it all (why I went by myself to the discount cinema) but... without spoiling anything, it was unpredictable ;) Haven't seen It Follows, but I've checked out John Carpenter's well reviewed soundtrack album. More "musical" than I'm capable of at this point but good stuff. Didn't know what NI's Massive was and had to look up. Whole other level for sure. ;)

    @mschenkel.it I'd thought maybe even with a decent sub, you wouldn't be able to generate low enough freqs to rumble like that, but I messed around last night and got some very low subs from a few patches in the synth-Q app (it's even got one called "sub-bass"), shoom was able to make some very low, almost inaudible without a sub-bass output sounds. Used one of @Fruitbat1919 's presets for some low rumble, and some of the lowest and fattest was from using Jonatan Liljedahl's (currently free) The Oscillator Not quite as fat as I'd like, but I'll try also distorting it some more. thx

    @gmslayton well, evidently you CAN get lower with iOS than I thought you could. Played this on my desktop with sub and did get rumbling of everything on my bookshelf ;) thx!

  • One of the things I notice most in movie soundtracks (perhaps less indie and more action/adventure) is the kind of percussion you can't easily get with most of the free drum samples available - sure, a few apps feature some timpani, but the big whooshing snares and various thumps and splashes are very OTT. I've got my eye on couple of reasonably priced "cinematic" themed drum packs from That Sound.

    Whether you buy or roll your own, I'd agree with the general consensus that having a hefty sample library to dip into for specific moods and feels would be a big help for scoring cinematic music, regardless of genre.

    Also, regarding your sub-sonic bass needs - Shoom goes down to 20Hz ... Might be you could get something rumbly going on around 40-60 HZ and then use SilQ to squeeze even more woofer-shaking madness out of it :smile:

  • edited May 2016

    @eustressor said:
    One of the things I notice most in movie soundtracks (perhaps less indie and more action/adventure) is the kind of percussion you can't easily get with most of the free drum samples available - sure, a few apps feature some timpani, but the big whooshing snares and various thumps and splashes are very OTT. I've got my eye on couple of reasonably priced "cinematic" themed drum packs from That Sound.

    Whether you buy or roll your own, I'd agree with the general consensus that having a hefty sample library to dip into for specific moods and feels would be a big help for scoring cinematic music, regardless of genre.

    Also, regarding your sub-sonic bass needs - Shoom goes down to 20Hz ... Might be you could get something rumbly going on around 40-60 HZ and then use SilQ to squeeze even more woofer-shaking madness out of it :smile:

    I'm just exploring this... but so far, it doesn't seem like I necessarily have to go for pricier apps to get some low rumble. Even Kymatica's free "The Oscillator" gets pretty close.

    Forgot to mention that I was also able to tweak Animoog down to some nice sub-freqs as well. And I did use SilQ that I picked up the other day on sale, to see if I could drive any of these even lower. The trouble is/was that I'm not hearing anything below a certain range when played via the iPad. At first, I thought maybe it was my own ears... and possibly some hearing loss from live shows I've been to (The Jesus Lizard, live 1990 at the Cannibal Club, I'm looking at you) ;) But the same recordings, once transferred and played back via desktop with sub-bass attached... I can hear the lows just fine.

    I've got some decent Sennheiser cans, and a little headphone amp that has a sub-enhance switch. I'm going to see if maybe I can at least hear them on the iPad instead of having to transfer. Might be the headphone amp in the iPad isn't quite robust enough for the lower stuff.

    Most likely, what I'll explore is an extension of samples and field recordings... and that's getting creative with the mic'ing like David Lynch used to do, ie. putting mics in plastic bottles to record a live orchestra, dropping a mic into a rusty metal pipe to record water dripping, etc. Then, take those recordings into the iPad or desktop to twist up and enhance more. I'd prefer not to rely on canned samples at all when possible, or at least mangle them up to the point where they no longer resemble their original source state.

    BTW: some of my fav presets for shoom are from you. thx! Hope you're making more for the next update :)

  • Rely on canned samples. Specially if you are looking for something specific that, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to recreate due to your own idiosyncrasies, lack of skill, lack of "insight" into sound physics, lack of quality playback instrumentation. Instead of losing your mind and time on something you already know what it should be, go on with the inventive stuff. If you need to play a C on a synth would you rather use a chromatic keyboard or turn a knob until you hit that frequency that resembles a C to your ears(without noticing that actually the almost-C is just a harmonic of a lower tonic just becaus your speaker sucks and can't reproduce that frequency)?

  • edited May 2016

    @mschenkel.it said:
    Rely on canned samples. Specially if you are looking for something specific that, no matter how hard you try, you won't be able to recreate due to your own idiosyncrasies, lack of skill, lack of "insight" into sound physics, lack of quality playback instrumentation. Instead of losing your mind and time on something you already know what it should be, go on with the inventive stuff. If you need to play a C on a synth would you rather use a chromatic keyboard or turn a knob until you hit that frequency that resembles a C to your ears(without noticing that actually the almost-C is just a harmonic of a lower tonic just becaus your speaker sucks and can't reproduce that frequency)?

    I understand what you're saying. I've used canned samples in TV commercials years ago. It's faster and more reliable for sure. But what I'm talking about now has more to do with art stuff. Doesn't need to nail it for commercial distribution. If I were to attempt something more grand, I'd make sure that I at least had a better monitoring set up. Or, more likely, I'd find someone who was more skilled than me, with more sound experience specifically, and I'd try to find a way to collaborate. Or, someone to pay them. ;)

    For my immediate experiments, I'm able to get as low as I want using only Hexaglyphics sub-bass pad + The Oscilator in AUM then both channels to a third to bring it down further with SilQ. Animoog with the Subconscious pack using bass-analog, turning pitch and freq down, and resonance up a little, then mixing that in AUM with Hexaglyphic's sub-bass pad (mixing this in sort of widens out the sound) then tweaking it lower with SiLQ, is my favorite result so are. synth-Q's "sub" preset isn't bad either, especially if it's also mixed with Hexaglyphics sub-bass pad, and eq'd lower with SilQ.

    All of that being said, I might find some good canned stuff to use as sample reference to start from. You recommend any off hand?

  • edited May 2016

    Go sample some movie. Reference sample packs for this kind of things can be pretty expensive. And having the whole picture as a reference would be of greater help, specially for someone like you with a pretty strong relationship with his sight, so you get a double reference.

    Another way around could be: create a track/backtrack, do your art, fine tune your backtrack to a finished track wich is complimentary to "your art". This approach had great results with video shootings: the sound was there when the video was lacking and viceversa. It also helps a lot to shoot and edit with a "metronome"

    Using sample packs IS collaborating/paying with/a pro. But since they already did and finished their job will charge you definitely less for the whole package :)

    EDIT: cinema, or the moving image, using, almost, the words of Walter Benjamin, is the opposite of the theater. You don't have to get the viewer attention; you have to sink him in your world. And you have to do that creating a super-reality through the screen; show him the details he would never notice in real life and make him crave for more: the subtle movement of the lips, the blink of an eye and so on. Translating all my theoretical fluff into something useful, get a mic-roscope, record the tiniest stuff and make it huge. Make the listener be shocked by how inside the action he is. Definitely read something about psychoacoustics. Search for Doppler effect for a very simple and effective example of psychoacoustics on one hand and why risers have always been so popular in music.

  • @mschenkel.it said:
    Go sample some movie. Reference sample packs for this kind of things can be pretty expensive. And having the whole picture as a reference would be of greater help, specially for someone like you with a pretty strong relationship with his sight, so you get a double reference.

    Another way around could be: create a track/backtrack, do your art, fine tune your backtrack to a finished track wich is complimentary to "your art". This approach had great results with video shootings: the sound was there when the video was lacking and viceversa. It also helps a lot to shoot and edit with a "metronome"

    Using sample packs IS collaborating/paying with/a pro. But since they already did and finished their job will charge you definitely less for the whole package :)

    Shooting with a metronome? Are you talking about actually listening to a metronome while shooting? Or, record the backtrack, then listen to IT while shooting as a "metronome'? Either way, that's kind of interesting. Hadn't thought of that before. Although, I have heard of film makers creating the music soundtrack first, to get the general pacing, then listening to that in headphones while shooting to be in-sync with the rhythm/pacing they'd already defined with the soundtrack. Interesting.

    Was just checking out that Drone FX apps that went free a few weeks ago. It's got some good sub-bass presets you can set for 5 different channels and tweak each into a fairly impressive sub-bass drone. No recording IAA or AB, but I might try running it into Logic Pro X via lightning cable... and see what I can do with it from there on the desktop.

    Will see what's available as "pro" sample packs too. thx

  • @skiphunt said:
    Shooting with a metronome? Are you talking about actually listening to a metronome while shooting? Or, record the backtrack, then listen to IT while shooting as a "metronome'? Either way, that's kind of interesting. Hadn't thought of that before. Although, I have heard of film makers creating the music soundtrack first, to get the general pacing, then listening to that in headphones while shooting to be in-sync with the rhythm/pacing they'd already defined with the soundtrack. Interesting.

    Was just checking out that Drone FX apps that went free a few weeks ago. It's got some good sub-bass presets you can set for 5 different channels and tweak each into a fairly impressive sub-bass drone. No recording IAA or AB, but I might try running it into Logic Pro X via lightning cable... and see what I can do with it from there on the desktop.

    Will see what's available as "pro" sample packs too. thx

    Hey, thanks for the kind words re: Shoom presets. I do have one more Shoom card cooking up my delinquent sleeve ;)

    I've never scored so much as a birthing video, but these two percussion sample packs in particular caught my ear - I've downloaded That Sound's free stuff before and it all sounds great. Check out the demos for both of these packs. Each is $15 bucks for samples only, $20 for samples with desktop templates and presets:

    http://www.iwantthatsound.com/product/cinematic-pop-drums/

    http://www.iwantthatsound.com/product/mammoth/

    Maybe you'll hear something you like :sunglasses:

  • @eustressor said:

    @skiphunt said:
    Shooting with a metronome? Are you talking about actually listening to a metronome while shooting? Or, record the backtrack, then listen to IT while shooting as a "metronome'? Either way, that's kind of interesting. Hadn't thought of that before. Although, I have heard of film makers creating the music soundtrack first, to get the general pacing, then listening to that in headphones while shooting to be in-sync with the rhythm/pacing they'd already defined with the soundtrack. Interesting.

    Was just checking out that Drone FX apps that went free a few weeks ago. It's got some good sub-bass presets you can set for 5 different channels and tweak each into a fairly impressive sub-bass drone. No recording IAA or AB, but I might try running it into Logic Pro X via lightning cable... and see what I can do with it from there on the desktop.

    Will see what's available as "pro" sample packs too. thx

    Hey, thanks for the kind words re: Shoom presets. I do have one more Shoom card cooking up my delinquent sleeve ;)

    I've never scored so much as a birthing video, but these two percussion sample packs in particular caught my ear - I've downloaded That Sound's free stuff before and it all sounds great. Check out the demos for both of these packs. Each is $15 bucks for samples only, $20 for samples with desktop templates and presets:

    http://www.iwantthatsound.com/product/cinematic-pop-drums/

    http://www.iwantthatsound.com/product/mammoth/

    Maybe you'll hear something you like :sunglasses:

    Looking forward to your Shoom card, and diggin these samples. Cheers :)

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