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"It's all folk music"
-Me
"Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal; bad poets deface what they take, and good poets make it into something better, or at least something different. The good poet welds his theft into a whole of feeling which is unique, utterly different from that from which it was torn; the bad poet throws it into something which has no cohesion."
-Eliot
Sorry , but that's just b#llocks . The arguement that it's ok to steal a writers work just because it's just words and existing history or references , or a musicians hard work and time because they're just noises and existing chords .
Would love to see how copyright theft supporters would feel , if someone came along and spent half an hour rearranging something they'd spent months working on , using expensive equipment they'd bought , then claimed it as their own and made loads of cash out of it .
My message to 'musicians' grabbing chunks of other artists work without permission - ' get up off your lazy arses and create something original of your own ' lol
Lol, no you just don't understand what is going on
If you steal you are taking something away from someone,
This causes that that someone doesn't have "the thing" anymore ...
This is not the case here.
Simple to see, isn't it?
Amazing.
You're all discussing and arguing for 70-so posts over a strawman! This decision doesn't mean anyone will be allowed to steal anything. The creator will still be entitled to be paid for his/her sampled material. He/she won't have the rights to forbid the usage of the sampled material. Simple as that. Get over it: Rome is not burning!
P.S.: As a side note, there is a thing about absurd judicial decisions I jokingly named "the hangover effect": everytime the judges make a stupid decision, there is an equally stupid decision to be made afterwards regarding to the same subject, but with absolutely opposite results - an awkward welay of the "jurisprudence universe" to balance itself.
E.G.: That decision about plagiarism of Marvin Gaye's song based on the new song of the supposed plagiarist having the same general feel was plainly stupid. The "hangover effect" could be a decision making all sampling kosher, exempting the users of sampled material to pay anything to the creators - which would be also plainly stupid. Fortunately, this is not the case. The downside is, the hangover of that preposterous Gaye decision is yet to come.
P.S. (I'm about to start a flamewar on purpose): to copylefters, anti-copyright advocates and other such funny people: you still haven't won (and never will). As the owner of a small restaurant once said to the great Ron Burgundy - "eat cat poo!"
We are all centrists in the certainty of our own mind.
He/she won't have the rights to forbid the usage of the sampled material.
That is the important part that was unclear before.
This is such a meta discussion, most people don't understand what its all about,
So if you're a gay composer , for example , and have built up a gay following , and play lots of benefits challenging homophobia it'd be ok if an openly homophobic rapper ( for example ) grabbed a big chunk of your audio without permission and did an anti-gay rap over your music - as long as they pay for it ? That's ok is it ?
rofl
I get payed
And extra publicity so more people will buy my stuff
why complain?
Nah, you're a nice fella, but you're a part of the troll tendency. Can't help yourself
Taking a big chunk would in almost all cases still be considered theft. We're speaking of sampling small bits here -- mostly, as a rule of thumb, so small most people wouldn't notice where it is from / and or the new piece is so original that it totally overshadows the samples that are used.
Making someone elses work a central part of your own work would still require permission or would be considered theft.
When the judges say sampling is not illegal per se, they are by no means saying that all sampling should be legal.
yes, because the reuser and the creator have different ideas about what is "tiny", it has to be the courts and lawmakers and judges who decide what a "tiny bit" is. And what counts, in general, is how "tiny" the bit is in the new work, not how important it is in the original work where it is taken from or how expensive it was to make it.
We are talking about 2 sec and 3 (?)electronic drumsounds created with stuff from the 70s
That can't be to hard to recreate it, if u try and wanted to
2 sec of audio just isn't exactly evening filling
I haven't stolen anything your honour, I just rearranged some atoms lol!
I think it is mostly record companies or frustrated artists that go neet picking for 2 sec fragments of samples. I'd be flattered if someone used 2 sec of my stuff as a token of tribute.
There's so much samey music out there I'm surprised anyone cares anymore. I'd personally be more inclined to go after folk ripping off melodies and sexy riffs rather than snippets of samples.
Edit: there's also fact that mostly big fat companies are the ones to be able to afford the big fat lawyers to skin the poor man even further. In light of this I'm all for anarchy.
You all know this
Right?
Wait for it
The melody is a "sample" from Mozart ...
Not very original this mister Beethoven, huh?
The Mozart piece is mostly unknown,
The Beethoven remix seams to be quite popular. Lol
Courts & lawmakers & judges define "tiny bit"? Agree.
"Tiny bit" of new work vs importance in original work? Agree.
Me miss all the points, have worthless opinions because fools like me have zero rights? Did I mention being a fool? With zero rights? And missing all the points? With extra wrong fool opinions?
Sure, no argument here, totally agree. Totally.
No, you create a work of art, it's yours and it is protected. Fool or not
And the more artistic or original it is, the more it is protected. No one is saying (well, I'm certainly not) that stealing is suddenly OK. This is not pro stealing but pro freedom of art.
But working in a particular genre ( e.g. The Beatles playing rock & roll music ) is a completely different kettle of fish to someone using , say , a sample from Hey Jude , as it's a recorded piece of work and has an associated cost to the creator .
From folk to blues to rock to whatever , that's progressive creativity . Shoving a chunk of a Gary Numan record into your track is lazy , and for me , boring
All these incredible tools at your fingertips - more drum machines than you could possibly ever need - and yet some would rather take a drum break from an existing artists recording . God save us from the youth of today
Agree. No no's, just agree. Seriously, agree. K?
I absolutely hate that record , I can't agree at all . As soon as I hear it my mind starts singing the original - like that awful record that sampled Queens Under pressure , and it ends up as a confused mush lol
I'm not saying all sampling is bad - I love a lot of Fatboy Slim for example and a bit of avant plunderphonics . It's when it's shoved in , in a lazy way in some half arsed pop or rap thing as a recognisable chunk of the original that it becomes a nails down blackboard pap nausea inducing lazy DUMB load if toilet water lmao
Toast.
doesnt matter. There is so much music that's bad and trivial, has nothing to do with sampling other ppl or not ...
Another 4 akkord piano ballad can be as boring and unoriginal too.
It's just a tool.
Besides, the last time anything new happened was when they took the amen completely apart in the 90s, since then nothing new happened.
what I meant to say was
what a load of for unlawful carnal knowledge, that's exactly what fatboy is...... his whole claim to fame is lazily taking whole versus of people and making them the centerpiece of his songs...... the only difference is that he's not making rap music, he literally has sampled larger chunks of music than anybody else and made lazy ass pop with it...ffs..... you just completely lost credibility on this one.
btw, I have always like fatboy, the joke is your argument, not him and as a samplist he is the laziest.... so what.
http://www.whosampled.com/Fatboy-Slim/?ob=0
cry me a river...!