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HELP! Going away tomorrow - need to decide on a DAW TONIGHT!
Hi guys,
Jetting off to Vietnam tomorrow and I'm still no closer to deciding which DAW to use lol.
It needs to:
- Record audio in (e.g. from Samplr or AUM)
- Record midi (e.g. from Patterning, synths)
- Export midi (to transfer to Ableton Live)
- Audioshare compatibility (To import from my sample bank)
- Run smoothly on an iPad Mini (1st gen)
Thank you!!
Comments
Cubasis. Plays well with most apps, a little bit more expensive than you probably want. But very easy to learn and very versatile.
+1 for Cubasis
Just switched to Cubasis from trying everything else, seems best-suited to being less annoying to use on a touch screen.
Cubasis. Has some wrinkles, and will likely frustrate you in some areas, but what it does well it does well. Does all that you're looking for too, though I can't say for sure how well it will run on your device.
I can see by your posts and capital letters that you're quite perplexed about this decision. The good news is you only have essentially two options as stated before, Cubasis and Auria Pro. There are countless workarounds that make it possible to make great music on an iPad that don't require a full-featured DAW as part of the equation. But it's a process of discovery that takes time to figure out what works for you and your music.
But having a full-featured DAW certainly can make a lot of tasks easier, or at least, faster. Pretty much everything on your list above can easily be done in Cubasis or Auria. I use Auria and I love it. It'll do everything on your list, easily. Though I am not running it on an iPad mini, so I can't comment on that aspect. But Cubasis is equally held in high regard by many of its users. Point is, either of those two will take care of the needs on your list, no problem. So flip a coin? Watch a couple YouTube tutorials on each one? See which one appeals to you visually? You can't go wrong with either, and you won't go bankrupt if you buy one and end up hating it.
Cubasis. It's well supported and clearly has a team with vision behind it.
I own and like Auria Pro very much. I do not own Cubasis.
However, if I were in your position and had to plop down money for just one DAW immediately, I would buy Cubasis for one reason only: it can host AU extensions and Auria Pro can't. I'm sure that ability will be there at some point, but it isn't today.
Auria: excellent piano roll, eighth- and 16th-note triplets and non-4/4 time-signatures, midi ghost tracks (brilliant).
Cubasis: very annoying piano-roll with none of the above features, but in every other way (I work almost exclusively with midi) a far more capable and pleasant app to work with.
@wim raises a good point. Additionally, I'm having a hard time imagining Auria's interface scaled to an iPad mini's screen. Cubasis appears to be a bit friendlier in the GUI department, at least in the videos I've seen of it.
So at last, your struggles are over @Jez_Wright. Judging by the commentary here, Cubasis is in fact the DAW for you! Now go grab it before your flight!!!
WTF!? how bizarre... I just recommended a friend get Gadget for his trip to vietnam that he is leaving on tomorrow...
PS. Yes, Cubasis, 1st gen mini will likely hurt with AP
It's been a while since I used Cubasis but does it cover OP's 3rd request?
I don't remember Cubasis being able to export Midi. May have changed this year?
Btw Have a great trip Jez!
Unless Cubasis is on sale, it's hard to justify it at the same price of Auria Pro, which is a professional, full featured DAW. On the other hand, I doubt Auria Pto would run smoothly on a Mini 1st gen. So I'd say Multitrack Studio for iPad - it does all that Cubasis does (it does better IMO) and costs about half as much.
Yeap, it can!
One more vote for Cubasis.
Cubasis will fit your workflow nicely and not break the bank.
Yeah guys your suspicions have been confirmed - It's recommended that you run Auria Pro on an iPad 4 or later (twice the processing power of my ickle iPad mini)
So by process of elimination I've gone with... dum dum dummmmm... Cubasis!!!
Thanks so much for your help guys
!!!!
Next up, packing...
@AudioGus don't suppose he's flying from London Gatwick to Ho Chi Minh City?
Apps first, then packing. Glad you have your priorities straight!
I really like multitrackstudio (not to be confused with multitrack daw, or multitrack studio). Does midi/audio in/out, comes with impressive mastering tools, effects, compression, is compatible with AU, soundfont player, and pitch correction for vocals. Learning curve is definitely higher than other DAWs though.
Nope, out of Vancouver... That would be too weird(er)
That's the one I was talking about: MultiTrackStudio for iPad (didn't know the name was without spaces): feature-wise, it's more powerful than Cubasis, yet it costs a lot less. Unfortunately, it's not as famous as it deserves.
Actually, it's $30 + $20 for Pro features. Definitely not "a lot less".
Have fun in Vietnam with Cubasis!
Don't you feel a little alone in this thread man ;-)... Just kidding but I'm kind of glad to see that people seem to have realized with time that Cubasis is more user friendly and robust than Auria Pro (which fame is mostly built on communication and promesses...).
You could check BM2, no IAA FX, no Audioshare but Generic copy paste ,can multitrack record audio and midi plus it can import-export midi.
Cheap and light!
Cubasis for me. BeatMaker2 is a cheaper, more limited alternative, and there's people that use it and make good music. Auria is a big, complex app, pro level (especially with its rather pricey plugins), and with a steep learning curve. And very likely will not run smoothly on your mini
I agree with ElGrecoLoco. I own both. Now I use Cubasis only.
In general I would say Auria Pro for breadth of features. I used to use Cubasis a great deal, but since Auria Pro came out, I have been working almost exclusively in Auria Pro. I work almost exclusively on a mini 2 for day-to-day activities and I have no problem using Auria Pro on a mini 2 in terms of form factor
Cubasis suffers in a number of ways.
In addition to a couple of shortcomings others have noted:
1.) IAA instruments still do not always load reliably
2.) IAA FX still do not alway print properly on tracks IME
3.) There are no gradations on any of the FX so while using one's ears is good, there's nothing to guide the eye. It's guess work as to what is actually being set
I do not dislike Cubasis. I just like Auria Pro a whole lot more.
(I've had and used both (well, Auria 1 original at least + Cubasis) since iPad 1 days)
However, since you are on a mini 1, I would say Cubasis if you are going to do the MIDI work, since it has less overhead for MIDI and works more efficiently on a mini 1 therefore.
Nevermind. didn't notice the last line above. ignore this post.
For me Auria Pro is more robust but Cubasis certainly has the user friendly edge now that it has had some good bug fixes. (At one time adding and removing or rearranging tracks was a mine field of losing midi channel settings and FX etc, glad that got fixed) I just wish Cubasis could record FX on the fly as you can in AP. That is about the only thing I use AP for.
I own Auria Pro & Cubasis. Both have many flaws and, while the simplified UI of Cubasis has advantages, it's hampered by a lack of routing & an inability to edit audio accurately (even with snap turned off, it refuses to allow editing right down to transients).
Auria may seem a little cluttered on the mini at first, but that's only because it's so fully featured.
Also, while both apps have pretty shaky MIDI clock sync (necessary if using Samplr, which has no IAA sync), Auria's is slightly more stable. Cubasis doesn't appear to send stop/start MIDI messages, either.
Obviously, if you're reliant on AU extensions, Cubasis wins out, although the implementation is a little wonky imo.