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@Tones4Christ
You have 2 sounds playing
every time sound 1 plays sound 2 drops in volume
(U can also use another signal not to be heard in the mix to trigger this)
Really interesting. Never tried it before.
It's trying to fix arrangements problems not in the arrangement but in the audio instead of coming up with a better arrangement or another sound ...
It basically does
These 2 never play together / softer if the other plays
Or cut/pump the signal in whatever rhythm
Actually it's five kick drums, but I'm not lazy I put reverb on my cowbell then maybe add a bongo loop and pan it to the left.
One kick drum lala, what is this the 1950's, you need a magnitude greater than four if you want to spank a dancefloor, I got that little pearl of wisdom online, from the same place I bought my honorary degree.
Only thing that comes to mind with daft punk is that around the world video, reminded me of an ariston ad that used to be on the telly box in the 80's, very catchy tune tho.
Nice thing about side chaining is you can get elements in a track to dance with each other and make it seem like it's one sound, especially in the low end, also handy if you have say a favourite compressor that's working well but doesn't respond quick enough for a particular sound, duplicate the sound, mute the output, move it slightly earlier and set that as the side chain input to compress its unmuted version, I find side chaining opens up new avenues to explore.
I'm really in the fence about forking out more cash into Gadget for Gladstone. I'm not a drummer, by really love Rock Drum Machine and the drum midi clips available in Cubasis. I was thinking or trying to convince myself that I could Just record those midi drum clips in real-time into gadget but, then I remembered that I would need to re-arrange the drum sounds to match the drum midi clips notes. How difficult is it to do this?
yes, one mono kick drum does it for me.
lol, its not like you can't dance to music without a bass drum that wakes up the dead.
techno is about the bd
d&b is about the snare and jazzy highheads
the bd has to keep out of the way for the bass
it sounds to techno otherwise for my taste
if you do techno you think the bass drum is the center of everything (ask a drummer, he will laugh at you and say techno idiot doesn't understand rhythm )
lol, it isn't, took me a while to get this
now I can do with the bass what I want
(thats why I said forget about the big boom bd and forget about all that sidechaining,
go for soft high ploppy bd and big bass, its called drum and bass for a reason ...)
btw. and forget about the short 16 or 32 step techno patterns, thing repeat in much larger cycles here ...
big boom bd may work with 4/4 and 129 bpm
things are quite different with 178 bpm
(maybe that works for you too if you like gabba )
All the king's horses and all the king's men
Couldn't put Humpty together again.
they tried to fix humpty up with sidechain, but that didn't work
remember we are after this sound
not boom tz boom tz technoish things
now tell me again where there is supposed to be room for those 4 deep bass drums
it will almost always bite the bassline
Sorry, I know this isn't answering your question really, but why do you feel the need to get the drum sounds you like "into" Gadget? Gadget can coexist alongside your other apps. They can all be loaded as inputs into AudioBus or AUM and then output or recorded. I'm not really seeing why you would care about Gladstone if you're already happy with your other apps.
gadget cloud conquest perhaps?
Anyone know off hand what notes correspond to each of the 16 pads in Bilbao? Trying to see if I can build a kit. Learning.
TONES! THIS IS IMPORTANT!
I had your thinking entirely. All my instruments had to be in the same environment at the moment of creation or they weren't part of the same song. Only through the dogged, patient help of people like Wim and GoneKrazy and kaikoo and Matt Fletcher and so on do I see the iOS landscape clearly now. It doesn't matter where the apps live. That was hard for me — who made records in, like, Ancient Rome, with 2" tape and an engineer ACTUALLY USING A RAZOR BLADE FOR EDITS. (Not kidding.)
I had no metaphor for how these apps work. (Also, I kind of expected them to work together nicely, which I have learned is foolish.) Now I have a glimpse of how things might work out. Just find the drum machine you like and have it running in AUM while your Gadget track is percolating.
Sorry if this is obvious to many people, but it wasn't to me for a while.
And thanks again to those who helped.
Well, I'm the guy who said it doesn't matter, but there is something just so streamlined and easy about having everything possible within Gadget, that contrary to what I suggested, I'm actually really happy to have purchased Gladstone. I like the sounds and the lowered barrier to creativity. One can always go trade out sounds for something better once ideas are down if needed.
I was just pointing out that there's no requirement that anything created in Gadget needs to only live in that world.
Intersting
It's kinda ironic that I was the person that was using apps all over the place and inspired people like @ExAsperis99 to finally think out of the box. Yet gadget gets stuff like insert fx and sidechaining and the last few days I've been spending inside the box XD. Well. Not entirely. Still using modstep to sequence stuff that was record into gadget.... But still. Mostly in gadget currently lol.
Good discussion.
I'm general of the thinking that I need to get my whole track into Gadget. (Although of course I can record midi in or bring samples in).
The reason for this 'in the Gadget box' thinking is
start-up time - it's really quick then to open up your track for 20 mins and have a quick play without having to set up multiple apps
continually tweaking and arranging / rearranging - I like to have everything editable within Gadget at all times for easy tweaking all the way through a project. (In a funny way, having the 5 sec limit in Bilboa at least aids this, because you have no long sections of rendered audio).
Love the tune dude the new drum machine works well with D&B music been working on a tune with it and Madrid for an upright bass sound works really well together. Keep them coming Korg!!
Thanks.
Yes, I really love the upright bass patches in Madrid. They sound amazing.
Been planning to do a track with them since I got it!
Please post yours when it's finished. Id love to hear it.
Not to be underestimated. I have found myself taking a five minute break between pomadoros and just leaning across and fiddling with the Big Boy (nurse) which is open to a bass midi track. Duplicate, fiddle, listen, discard/save as appropriate. Often rubbish, but sometimes something that would have never been thought of or found if I'd had to do ANYTHING AT ALL to begin (because then I likely wouldn't have tried to do anything at all to begin with)...
Heh you got me in a DnB, or at the least fast rpm mood now. Gadget really is cool for this. never really took her over a hundred before and now i am at 168... Hmmm maybe i will snag some blocs packs and mess around a bit.
@lala
I was going to reply yesterday but just stared at the screen then I woke up with my face attached to the screen dribbling, I needed to reset my body clock though, but I remember your reply being a lot smaller, seems you edited in a medium sized manual in the meantime.
I'd say the kick and snare is the overall focus of dnb, why would people sidechain the bass with the kick if this wasn't so, it's called drum and bass for a reason;) but to be fair there are so many styles of dnb, with different emphasis-i that my last statement was false, I remember it always being like that too.
Personally my love of a great kick drum came from hip hop, I loved techno for a while, mainly the american and european stuff, but I was always a bit simple when it come to genres, electro, chicago house, detroit techno sound very similar to me.
Kudos for your choice of youtube vids though, love metalheadz still buy their stuff, loved future sound of london too, although papa nu guinea was like watching paint dry, I own a copy too, what was I thinking, I liked some of the earlier stuff but fecking loved lifeforms, was partial to isdn and anamorphous androgynous least that's what I think their alias was.
Matts track and another vid I've seen have got my very excited about gladstone, looks like an excellent addition, madrid looks good, will end up probably getting all three in the end.
This my dear herr watson, is one reason why you use sidechaining with a dynamic eq, it can often be more desirable then notching out a piece of bass on a static eq and also has the benefit of adding a nice bounce to your groove.
Dynamic eq?
I am unsure if tools like that existed in the early 90s.
And I am pretty sure I don't want to use 2 tools to fix problems I don't have if I spend some thought on the arrangement.
There is no right or wrong here,
If it sounds good it's sounds good.
What you think of as nice bounce in the groove is what I think of as ugly artifacts from messing with the volume because I didn't spend enough time with the arrangement.
Some thought on styles
d&b is much closer to Dub, funk and jazz than to techno or hip hop. There is no doomsday bd in those styles, you can hardly hear the bd, the snare makes the groove.
Listen to the omni trio stuff I posted
It sounds so wide, open and lush.
That big bd would kill it. And It doesn't need that big bd, he just lets the bass groove.
No right or wrong, but your answer is the more pejorative
Meh, its over 20 years of this style now, I like the yazzy non military marches music variants. :P
I like women on hot crossed buns with lashings of butter and the prospect of morning. Each to their own.
i would have never thought you would be interested in d&b, surprise.
Please don't ever dance to my songs.
This sort of drum and bass?
Lol, I get a feeling folks don't know how many hands and feet a drummer has.
I count 2 hands and 2 feet so thats 4 sounds at a time max.
remember it all started here
not a drum computer on amphetamine
don't worry. I won't.
indeed... and dinosaur bones exist to test our faith.