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Elastic Drums... uh oh...

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  • Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

  • @mannix said:

    @ExAsperis99 said:
    There's room for both! I love ED's remarkable tweakability. Very easy to use, too. And as much as I adore Patterning (having just had an epiphany about how great to have a 64-step pattern), I find the preset drum sounds mostly unusable. I know it's supposed to be easy to import them, but I'm not about to start hunting through folders for a great snare sound.... If anybody wants to correct me, I'm HAPPY to be shown ignorant!

    As for this new feature, there's no reason it has to be some glitchy nonmusical snippet. Easy to have a Mozart tympani roll or a Coltrane sax bleat there. I'm thrilled by the possibility, and I want to know when it's coming!

    In Patterning there's really some interesting drumkits made by users, just try them. btw I'm not throwing ED under the bus, but for me patterning has a feel to it that makes it fun to use. Other iOS drummachines I still like to use are Robotic Drums (unfortunately last updated in 2014) and Seekbeats.

    While I like BOTH Patterning and ED, I am another fan of those two (Robotic Drums and Seekbeats) I especially like layering Robotic Drums with another Drum app. Good times...

  • @mkell424 said:
    The scrubbing of the waveform reminds me of iDensity and Borderlands.

    Sure hope Borderlands get the link/bpm spawning hinted on FB

  • wimwim
    edited August 2016

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

  • Elastic Drums and Seekbeats make such a great pair, I was Seekbeats fanatic and couldn't even entertain the thought of another drum synth but Elastic Drums has a character that makes it perfect for playing them together.

  • @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I just lost an hour trying to set it up myself and either something has gone terribly wrong, I was high on drugs or I perhaps it was only in one of the betas I was testing (long expired at this point). I'll contact Oliver to see what's up. It is receiving MIDI for clock and patterning changing but the rest seems screwy at best.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I just lost an hour trying to set it up myself and either something has gone terribly wrong, I was high on drugs or I perhaps it was only in one of the betas I was testing (long expired at this point). I'll contact Oliver to see what's up. It is receiving MIDI for clock and patterning changing but the rest seems screwy at best.

    No worries, thanks for trying :) Would be a wonderful thing if they can get it working though.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I just lost an hour trying to set it up myself and either something has gone terribly wrong, I was high on drugs or I perhaps it was only in one of the betas I was testing (long expired at this point). I'll contact Oliver to see what's up. It is receiving MIDI for clock and patterning changing but the rest seems screwy at best.

    It seemed like maybe the note values needed have gone out of whack? Patterns triggered way up the keyboard, like around C8 or F8. The note trigger numbers are an octave above that, but the keyboard doesn't go high enough.

  • @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I just lost an hour trying to set it up myself and either something has gone terribly wrong, I was high on drugs or I perhaps it was only in one of the betas I was testing (long expired at this point). I'll contact Oliver to see what's up. It is receiving MIDI for clock and patterning changing but the rest seems screwy at best.

    It seemed like maybe the note values needed have gone out of whack? Patterns triggered way up the keyboard, like around C8 or F8. The note trigger numbers are an octave above that, but the keyboard doesn't go high enough.

    Yeah. I was trying it with MIDIFlow in between and got certain things to trigger but not where I expected and never got note triggering.

  • edited August 2016

    Would be a dream if every app had a built in MIDI monitor.

    <cough> @Sebastian </cough>

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I asked and Oliver was smart enough to send this short, informative video. TL;DW: There's a separate MIDI Learn on the inst/pattern page under 'options'. Learn the MIDI notes there and patterning away.

  • After playing with it for a bit, think 'Full Joy' may have been a bit hyperbolic. I've had full joy musical experiences doing it and it's definitely fun but technically, it leaves quite a bit to be desired. Doesn't automatically respond to velocity (though I imagine it can be mapped/learned). Also, since those buttons on the right serve as both sound triggers and synth switchers, you can't tweak a drum part while a full pattern plays since the target drum synth constantly switches!

    Plus Patterning doesn't seem to have start/stop buttons in the AB panel or track mutes in AB remote so the back and forth is cumbersome.

  • I mapped ED's velocity to the volume knob on synth channels 1-3. It does pick up Patterning's velocity messages in that you can see the volume knob moving but the volume coming out never seems to change.

    Maybe I'm just doing it wrong.

  • Playing around and got some pretty cool patterns going.
    When you solo a track in the mixer and then hit another track 'solo' this mutes the first solo track. This is preferred to combining the 'solo'ed tracks?

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I asked and Oliver was smart enough to send this short, informative video. TL;DW: There's a separate MIDI Learn on the inst/pattern page under 'options'. Learn the MIDI notes there and patterning away.

    Thanks for the info, I can't seem to get it to do much though. Think I'll have to file this under 'more effort than it's worth' :(

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @wim said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    I'm pretty good with MIDI setup, but I just spent a good hour trying to get Patterning to drive ED and failed. All I could ever manage with any program was to trigger patterns, not notes. What's the secret?

    What witchcraft is this? I too would like to learn these secret rituals!

    I asked and Oliver was smart enough to send this short, informative video. TL;DW: There's a separate MIDI Learn on the inst/pattern page under 'options'. Learn the MIDI notes there and patterning away.

    Thanks. I'll have to work at it some more. I was able to do the midi learn, but found that I need to find notes that aren't already mapped. The notes I picked are linked to other parameters (by default). So, even though it looked like it took the MIDI map, nothing played because of the conflict with other mappings. I was doing this from Patterning, not from a controller, so that could have had something to do with it.

    It's academic for me anyway - I don't see any real advantage to using Patterning to drive ED - but these things bug me until I get them sorted out. :#

  • @wim, good point. I should have mentioned that I used really high notes like C7+. Mostly because it was still set that way from trying to find the right notes from yesterday. :)

    I wonder if AB3 is going to also try to standardize MIDI Mapping. Not fixed CC settings (the MIDI spec has lots of those) but the UI and workflow for mapping items to external controls. I imagine standardizing that visually would be hard unless everything did it with a big old list like Magellan but having some things as standard like an inline MIDI monitor, a warning when you're going to override an existing mapping, the ability to set different mappings for different MIDI ports, etc... would be a total dream.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    Thanks for the info, I can't seem to get it to do much though. Think I'll have to file this under 'more effort than it's worth' :(

    Ditto. For now. I have a whole folder of middling-to-very-good apps that need more time than I can give them today...maybe waiting for what Clive James called that place he is now where "those of us who have run so short of time that time no longer matters"... Maybe.

  • edited August 2016

    Am I the only one that didn't know ED records and exports separate tracks...both song or pattern loops?

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Thanks for the info, I can't seem to get it to do much though. Think I'll have to file this under 'more effort than it's worth' :(

    Ditto. For now. I have a whole folder of middling-to-very-good apps that need more time than I can give them today...maybe waiting for what Clive James called that place he is now where "those of us who have run so short of time that time no longer matters"... Maybe.

    Opposite for me unfortunately, a few muckers have passed over in the last few months so time has suddenly become very precious...

  • @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    That was briefly so exciting a concept until I read through the remainder of the thread :'(

  • @Paul16 said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    That was briefly so exciting a concept until I read through the remainder of the thread :'(

    After giving up on ED I booted up a whole bunch of synths and triggered them via Patterning instead, and had a whale of a time. I think for me ED works best as a drum loop creating tool - exporting the gloopy results into something else (e.g. Blocs) for further bashing.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Paul16 said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    That was briefly so exciting a concept until I read through the remainder of the thread :'(

    After giving up on ED I booted up a whole bunch of synths and triggered them via Patterning instead, and had a whale of a time. I think for me ED works best as a drum loop creating tool - exporting the gloopy results into something else (e.g. Blocs) for further bashing.

    Shame, as it has a real individual & chunky sound. As much as I truly love Patterning in all its aesthetic awesomeness with an interface like no other, it's sound is somehow ever so slightly lacking a tiny percentage of 'oooomph' in some extremes.

  • @Paul16 said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @Paul16 said:

    @syrupcore said:
    Patterning driving ED is a full joy experience for me.

    That was briefly so exciting a concept until I read through the remainder of the thread :'(

    After giving up on ED I booted up a whole bunch of synths and triggered them via Patterning instead, and had a whale of a time. I think for me ED works best as a drum loop creating tool - exporting the gloopy results into something else (e.g. Blocs) for further bashing.

    Shame, as it has a real individual & chunky sound. As much as I truly love Patterning in all its aesthetic awesomeness with an interface like no other, it's sound is somehow ever so slightly lacking a tiny percentage of 'oooomph' in some extremes.

    I love the drum packs in Patterning. I tend to layer things anyway in Auria - so I'll have a bit of a jam with Patterning and whatnot and then overdub additional drums via other apps such as Gadget. That probably makes too much of a racket for most people though.

  • I love the drum packs in Patterning. I tend to layer things anyway in Auria - so I'll have a bit of a jam with Patterning and whatnot and then overdub additional drums via other apps such as Gadget. That probably makes too much of a racket for most people though.

    Sounds like my kind of racket :) Just to quantify my comment, I didn't mean to say that the Patterning kits weren't decent as they are & there's a great variety of them, just that ED's overall sound has a little bit more 'oomph'. Possibly due to real time generated sounds vs samples, I dunno.

  • @Paul16 said:

    I love the drum packs in Patterning. I tend to layer things anyway in Auria - so I'll have a bit of a jam with Patterning and whatnot and then overdub additional drums via other apps such as Gadget. That probably makes too much of a racket for most people though.

    Sounds like my kind of racket :) Just to quantify my comment, I didn't mean to say that the Patterning kits weren't decent as they are & there's a great variety of them, just that ED's overall sound has a little bit more 'oomph'. Possibly due to real time generated sounds vs samples, I dunno.

    Yeah it's got quite a punch. Have you tried sampling ED and importing it in as a Patterning kit? Might be worth a go.

  • edited August 2016

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Thanks for the info, I can't seem to get it to do much though. Think I'll have to file this under 'more effort than it's worth' :(

    Ditto. For now. I have a whole folder of middling-to-very-good apps that need more time than I can give them today...maybe waiting for what Clive James called that place he is now where "those of us who have run so short of time that time no longer matters"... Maybe.

    Opposite for me unfortunately, a few muckers have passed over in the last few months so time has suddenly become very precious...

    Sorry to hear that. It's an increasing thing about all our places, or so it seems. I think the Clive James quote speaks to the same issue, albeit in a koan-like way. Probably something to do with In a BBC interview broadcast on 31 March 2015, James described himself as "near to death but thankful for life". However, in October 2015 he admitted to feeling "embarrassment" at still being alive thanks to experimental drug treatment.

  • edited August 2016

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @MonzoPro said:

    Thanks for the info, I can't seem to get it to do much though. Think I'll have to file this under 'more effort than it's worth' :(

    Ditto. For now. I have a whole folder of middling-to-very-good apps that need more time than I can give them today...maybe waiting for what Clive James called that place he is now where "those of us who have run so short of time that time no longer matters"... Maybe.

    Opposite for me unfortunately, a few muckers have passed over in the last few months so time has suddenly become very precious...

    Sorry to hear that. It's an increasing thing about all our places, or so it seems. I think the Clive James quote speaks to the same issue, albeit in a koan-like way. Probably something to do with In a BBC interview broadcast on 31 March 2015, James described himself as "near to death but thankful for life". However, in October 2015 he admitted to feeling "embarrassment" at still being alive thanks to experimental drug treatment.

    Yeah I read his Guardian columns, seems he's done a bit of a Wilco. Opposite for my guitar playing ex-band mate - saw him a couple of months back and he was fine, then bang - heart attack a couple of weeks ago and died.

    Put a few things into perspective, one of which was the family readings at his funeral last week - they all mentioned his days of being in the band as his happiest.

    As Frank Zappa used to say: MUSIC IS THE BEST

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @Paul16 said:

    I love the drum packs in Patterning. I tend to layer things anyway in Auria - so I'll have a bit of a jam with Patterning and whatnot and then overdub additional drums via other apps such as Gadget. That probably makes too much of a racket for most people though.

    Sounds like my kind of racket :) Just to quantify my comment, I didn't mean to say that the Patterning kits weren't decent as they are & there's a great variety of them, just that ED's overall sound has a little bit more 'oomph'. Possibly due to real time generated sounds vs samples, I dunno.

    Yeah it's got quite a punch. Have you tried sampling ED and importing it in as a Patterning kit? Might be worth a go.

    Not as yet, knocked up a couple of others from iOS synths. The 'open submission' policy on user kits for patterning is another sweet string to its already bristling bow.

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