Producing on an iPad after using Ableton

u0421793

Just making sure that nobody's mentioned Sunvox thus far.

echoopera

If cost is an issue look no further than GarageBand for completeness.

JohnnyGoodyear

@u0421793 said:
Just making sure that nobody's mentioned Sunvox thus far.

echoopera

Here are a couple tracks I finished this evening using Korg Gadget fwiw https://soundcloud.com/policarpo-wood/without-within

and

https://soundcloud.com/policarpo-wood/without-occasion

Calverhall

I've gone from Ableton on Mac to iPad and after much experimentation, I'd say Gadget is the answer.

I kinda hate cubasis, it's been hugely disappointing for me but it has had a big update so I'll revisit eventually.

Gadget has a host of problems too and it took some patient perserverence to work out a clean workflow for more ambitious projects. But as no other app is as deep whilst simultaneously feeling like its a toy, I highly recommend.

Richtowns

@u0421793 said:
Just making sure that nobody's mentioned Sunvox thus far.

Everyone should own SunVox, it costs like 20p and it can do everything. Using it is optional.

I use ModStep mostly and love it. The choice between Cubasis & AP is impossible, both amazing, buy the one you think is for you but maybe you'll end up with both. Lucky they're so cheap (cheaper in sales)

• OT but I would recommend Addictive Pro (amazing arp and synth) to get Aphex/Flying Lotus basslines. This is a lot of peoples fave arp synth atm

Hex047

Korg Gadget is the closest to Ableton live in Ios, unfortunately using samples with it is cumbersome.

Hex047

If only isequence was updated.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Hex047 said:
If only isequence was updated.

This is what I wish silently every time I see a clock at 11.11....

Proppa

@project.ion said:
Starting from scratch so any pointers are welcome.

It always makes me nervous when fellow forum peeps speak in broad terms about what iOS can and can't do (not you @project.ion - and welcome to the forum). The only hard truth about iOS music making is that there is no Hard Truth but rather an ever-expanding playground of potential and blazing one's own trail of invention.

As a longtime Logic and Ableton user I can say that for myself iOS completely holds its own and in many cases outshines the heavyweight desktop standards. I view iOS in two parts: ways to generate Parts (more apps than I could ever keep up with / true abundance) then - the second part: ways to Arrange and put everything together (choose an iOS DAW and get fluent - you'll be off to the races). iOS is (of course) Different than desktop and in some ways more limited but if you dive in those limitations start producing creative and often times exclusive results.

lukesleepwalker

I look at making music on iOS the same way as making music in Live or Garageband or any other tool I've used in the past--as a way to tell stories. And from that perspective I can tell you that it's going quite smashingly.

Telengard

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Hex047 said:
If only isequence was updated.

This is what I wish silently every time I see a clock at 11.11....

+1

telecharge

@Telengard said:

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Hex047 said:
If only isequence was updated.

This is what I wish silently every time I see a clock at 11.11....

+1

1 see what you did there.

johnn

@AudioGus said:
I tried to go all or 90% ipad several times over the past four years, always waiting for the next thing to save me. MF2K (Matt) speaks true in many respects!

I am also into Aphex Twin, love Tipper etc. Anyway, I had to cough up recently for a little laptop (Asus Zenbook, which I love) running a PC DAW. Still a HUGE percentage of my work/play is done on iPAd while commuting and it is much more fun and better now that I work in both. I love doing lots of long sketches and then chopping and pasting the results together on PC. There really isn't anything for this type of aproach on iPad esspecially if you want lots of tight controlled edits etc.

Thanks for this post, I'm looking into the zenbook now. Maybe my x-mas gift to myself aye!

JohnnyGoodyear

@Proppa said:

@project.ion said:
Starting from scratch so any pointers are welcome.

It always makes me nervous when fellow forum peeps speak in broad terms about what iOS can and can't do (not you @project.ion - and welcome to the forum). The only hard truth about iOS music making is that there is no Hard Truth but rather an ever-expanding playground of potential and blazing one's own trail of invention.

As a longtime Logic and Ableton user I can say that for myself iOS completely holds its own and in many cases outshines the heavyweight desktop standards. I view iOS in two parts: ways to generate Parts (more apps than I could ever keep up with / true abundance) then - the second part: ways to Arrange and put everything together (choose an iOS DAW and get fluent - you'll be off to the races). iOS is (of course) Different than desktop and in some ways more limited but if you dive in those limitations start producing creative and often times exclusive results.

Yup.

Judochopjames

My recommendation is not to assume the best route is to try and mimic what you do in your desktop environment. iOS is a different beast with different strengths and weakness. Think about what you'd like accomplish and then do some research into what's available for apps. You might find a certain combination of apps can accomplish your goals or provide a workflow that's even better than Ableton. Apps like Audiobus and AUM can help facilitate this and create a sort of modular environment where you can connect apps in any way you see fit.

I've used Ableton for years, and to be honest I can't say I can replicate the workflow I'm able to achieve with just my laptop and Live running but at the same time iOS allows me to accomplish a different workflow that has different strengths which I could never accomplish in Live.

telecharge

@Judochopjames said:
My recommendation is not to assume the best route is to try and mimic what you do in your desktop environment. iOS is a different beast with different strengths and weakness. Think about what you'd like accomplish and then do some research into what's available for apps. You might find a certain combination of apps can accomplish your goals or provide a workflow that's even better than Ableton. Apps like Audiobus and AUM can help facilitate this and create a sort of modular environment where you can connect apps in any way you see fit.

I've used Ableton for years, and to be honest I can't say I can replicate the workflow I'm able to achieve with just my laptop and Live running but at the same time iOS allows me to accomplish a different workflow that has different strengths which I could never accomplish in Live.

That's about the fairest assessment I've read here. Kudos to you,

JohnnyGoodyear

@telecharge said:

@Judochopjames said:
My recommendation is not to assume the best route is to try and mimic what you do in your desktop environment. iOS is a different beast with different strengths and weakness. Think about what you'd like accomplish and then do some research into what's available for apps. You might find a certain combination of apps can accomplish your goals or provide a workflow that's even better than Ableton. Apps like Audiobus and AUM can help facilitate this and create a sort of modular environment where you can connect apps in any way you see fit.

I've used Ableton for years, and to be honest I can't say I can replicate the workflow I'm able to achieve with just my laptop and Live running but at the same time iOS allows me to accomplish a different workflow that has different strengths which I could never accomplish in Live.

That's about the fairest assessment I've read here. Kudos to you,

Ditto.

ToMess

@johnn said:
Thanks for this post, I'm looking into the zenbook now. Maybe my x-mas gift to myself aye!

Be sure you dont get just any zenbook, some of them are really crappy low end computer that you most certainly dont want. Also im pretty sure there are better alternatives for the price. Also be sure that the ports on it are enough for you

[Deleted User]

@Judochopjames said:
My recommendation is not to assume the best route is to try and mimic what you do in your desktop environment. iOS is a different beast with different strengths and weakness. Think about what you'd like accomplish and then do some research into what's available for apps. You might find a certain combination of apps can accomplish your goals or provide a workflow that's even better than Ableton. Apps like Audiobus and AUM can help facilitate this and create a sort of modular environment where you can connect apps in any way you see fit.

I've used Ableton for years, and to be honest I can't say I can replicate the workflow I'm able to achieve with just my laptop and Live running but at the same time iOS allows me to accomplish a different workflow that has different strengths which I could never accomplish in Live.

+1

[Deleted User]

iOS can be one big Modular music thang:

That can grow, with only your imagination as the key

[Deleted User]

@lukesleepwalker said:
I look at making music on iOS the same way as making music in Live or Garageband or any other tool I've used in the past--as a way to tell stories. And from that perspective I can tell you that it's going quite smashingly.

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Hex047 said:
Korg Gadget is the closest to Ableton live in Ios, unfortunately using samples with it is cumbersome.

People might find this interesting as a way of jamming with Gadget in an Ableton Live style flow. It can be done. (My top tip is to use the mutes on the clips themselves, not on the channel strips, because that way it mutes the midi, not the audio and it all sounds much nicer!)

AndyPlankton

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@Hex047 said:
Korg Gadget is the closest to Ableton live in Ios, unfortunately using samples with it is cumbersome.

People might find this interesting as a way of jamming with Gadget in an Ableton Live style flow. It can be done. (My top tip is to use the mutes on the clips themselves, not on the channel strips, because that way it mutes the midi, not the audio and it all sounds much nicer!)

Thats right, effects tails intact and all that.
It also means that when you find a combination that you like, you can copy the scene with mutes intact, and then start the mute/unmute process again to find another combination.

Littlewoodg

@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Sublime track.

Richtowns

@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Nice tip, great live play. Inspiational!

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@Littlewoodg said:
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Sublime track.

@Richtowns said:
@Matt_Fletcher_2000
Nice tip, great live play. Inspiational!

Thank you, thank you ...

Matt_Fletcher_2000

@AndyPlankton said:

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@Hex047 said:
Korg Gadget is the closest to Ableton live in Ios, unfortunately using samples with it is cumbersome.

People might find this interesting as a way of jamming with Gadget in an Ableton Live style flow. It can be done. (My top tip is to use the mutes on the clips themselves, not on the channel strips, because that way it mutes the midi, not the audio and it all sounds much nicer!)

>

Thats right, effects tails intact and all that.
It also means that when you find a combination that you like, you can copy the scene with mutes intact, and then start the mute/unmute process again to find another combination.

I think it also uses fewer processor resources. Because the midi on the muted clips isn't being triggered so Gadget has to do less work to play that scene.

So it means you can keep building up clips horizontally but still not suffer from Gadget glitching when you start having too many tracks all playing at the same time.

db909

@AndyPlankton said:

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:

@Hex047 said:
Korg Gadget is the closest to Ableton live in Ios, unfortunately using samples with it is cumbersome.

People might find this interesting as a way of jamming with Gadget in an Ableton Live style flow. It can be done. (My top tip is to use the mutes on the clips themselves, not on the channel strips, because that way it mutes the midi, not the audio and it all sounds much nicer!)

Thats right, effects tails intact and all that.
It also means that when you find a combination that you like, you can copy the scene with mutes intact, and then start the mute/unmute process again to find another combination.

"Copy the scene with muted intact" smh why haven't I thought of this!

johnn

@ToMess said:

@johnn said:
Thanks for this post, I'm looking into the zenbook now. Maybe my x-mas gift to myself aye!

Be sure you dont get just any zenbook, some of them are really crappy low end computer that you most certainly dont want. Also im pretty sure there are better alternatives for the price. Also be sure that the ports on it are enough for you

Thanks! That's a big investment... might have to take my time on that one.