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It did for me quite a bit during iOS 10 beta, but in general iSEM has been unstable and unreliable for me since the day I bought it. Both in Cubasis and GB
It's probably no surprise that I find GB to be an excellent music-creation app and/or DAW, far and above most other apps for doing what it does to facilitate doing what I do... and having a bit of a design sense attracts me to its very capable UI.
And that Apple took the step to incorporate AB into GB shows me that 1) Apple aren't complete duffs, and 2) what a boon AB REALLY is (even though it's one of the apps I don't use to its full capabilities).
Once GB-iOS gets AU Effects it can be a powerhouse, that plus busses could go a long way. It doesn't need all of Logic to be compelling.
@brambos -- when I read this part of your comment about GB, and how it's..."a hyper-polished way for people to dip their toes into making music or a semi-serious self-contained music sequencing and arranging environment. Right now it's somewhere in the middle."
I felt that your description fit perfectly. GB really helped me immensely when I started my iOS music making adventures. I came to iOS 5 years ago from hardware/keyboards with no real computer music-making knowledge; but have progressed pretty far, I think, since. Most would agree that GB is great for entry level, sure; but it's instruments and playability and environment are so enticing, it's not easy to give it up. I'm a Cubasis user mostly, but still open GB fairly often.
As to the OP issue; I have the luxury of multiple iDevices, but with the typical limited space issues; I have GB one one device and iSymphonic on the another.
Worth having a look at that Toz. They are a perfect fit. Especially for the frustrated composers among us...
GB is not a gimmick. It's a simple and powerful app for Mac and iOS that brings music production to anyone with an Apple device---many who are not interested in complicating things further. It's free software that Apple could make far less capable with no apologies, and probably with no significant loss to their profits. They also provide the hardware that serves as multipurpose mobile devices for millions of users (yes, millions of users whose desires are no less worthy,) while also attracting 3rd party developers to make more music tools for our niche market.
Apple also provides Logic Pro X, professional music production at a level far greater, and a price far cheaper, than anything I've seen in my lifetime. These powerful and affordable music making capabilities have been here for years now. If a revolution ain't happening, more GarageBand features will not provide what's missing.
Yes, this I subscribe entirely. Don't consider it by any means incompatible with what I said here earlier, actually.
Or it could be the that ARM is coming to the MAC
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Indeed. I have Logic Pro X and spend half my time with it trying to work out how it works. While brilliant and oh so versatile, I often find it illogical and hard to work with. So if a future incarnation of GB had more Logic style features but without the incredible complexity, that would be great news.
Agree. I don't think Logic Pro X (while wonderful and cheap) is in the same design arena as GB. Room for both and and extended Pro GB for iOS.
So, as discussed earlier, the scenario is GB lacking in areas and but has wonderful areas of design for quick use. Logic really is not a smooth 'next step up' that would merge the design of GB with an extended (not complex) feature set.
I have a 'love&hate' relationship with iOS Garageband!
What I don't like is the very limited Midi-Editor. I doesn't even allow editing of the recorded Pitch-Bend and Mod-Wheel data. All the 'AU-Parameters' are visible in the UI but no way to record and edit them, adjustment works fine.
I do like the AppleLoop integration works with easy transposition of the material and tempo-matching.
I wish there was a way to turn any recording into an 'AppleLoop'(this would mean integrated transient and pitch-detection).
The built-in sampler is very limited even though it stores the sounds as *.sfz (meaning it could be turned into a proper sound-font player with custom UI using the iOS built-in ESX24 compatible sound-font player).
But as usual with Apple we have no clue about what's cooking in the factory...
Apple pie no doubt
Shit, that would be baking.....
I haven’t used it that way, but Logic X actually comes with advanced options turned off. Does that make it more accessible? In any case, even for some of us making music just for fun these days, we know what a pro DAW is and why we want it. I don’t know that it’s possible to dumb it down so it’s easily accessible even to people who just want to dive in and make music without the learning curve required to do what professional work often demands. Logic on an iPad is an intriguing idea, but if Apple provides it someday, would it truly match the desktop version in power and capability, or be a scaled down version better suited to mobile applications? If it’s the latter, then making it easier to learn would seem to make sense. If it’s actually Logic Pro X, and you need that capability, then the time taken to learn it should be worth it.
No need to have a dumbed down Logic for the gap I am talking about. A GB Pro for iOS with the same feature set as the GB MAC version will do the job better than watering down Logic.
Apple seems to have feature updates for GB-iOS around winter NAMM....so in three months we'll see what's next. I'm guessing it will be AU inserts but probably only 1 per track
That would be quite a help to be honest
My favourite GarageBand feature is sending Music Memos recordings to it. The fact that it keeps the tempo changes from my playing speed lurching between a funeral march to something resembling Discharge (remember them?) on a hot day, is fantastic. Wish I could take those recordings with tempo changes into Cubasis.
@LFS any chance of this?
GB is a direct descendent of Logic - Apple never had any own piece of music software until they aquired Emagic.
So one may assume that GB features are a deliberate decision (by whoever's responsible).
The GUI turns me off completely - a waste of screen estate and images all over the place.
(may seem a small annoyance, but for my visual perceiption it's even offending)
For me this is the closest thing to magic I've ever come across, desktop or mobile. I record a demo, which is just me bashing away on a guitar, and hey presto it becomes an arrangement that I can then open in GarageBand and edit!
I kinda like the tempo fluctuations. I think the best thing to do with them is just to treat the whole project as if it was recorded on tape and ignore the grid. You can still add new instruments, but you can't quantise. You have to play
Sounds like yet another reason to go back to the guitar....
Last week I went to a local guitar shop in Ramsgate (owned and run by the ex-drummer from the Animals) and bought a very cheap Korean made (Crafter branded) 12 string acoustic. It has a chipped headstock, and a bulge by the bridge (12 strings cause a lot of tension on the body) but I love playing that thing, it sounds amazing and is terrific fun. Funnily enough my SOTMC entry will be from that bashed-up guitar via Music Memos and GB, into Auria.
The challenge is making the most of the built-in mic, but there is an app called Spire that seems to make very good recordings using the iPhone or iPad mic, using some kind of DSP magic.
I think the tempo changes in GarageBand affect other tracks you add even if sequenced. Haven't got it with me to check at the minute.
The built-in mic does a pretty decent job on the whole. Will check out Spire though.
I didn't know that, thanks. Treating it like tape would still apply in Cubasis or Auria though.
Good idea, I certainly agree about the perfect fit, and have used them together. However, in my seemingly endless app/device/space juggling, I had to make some interesting choices.
I'm not a frustrated composer, so my current setup is fine (for the moment); keeping iSym on the mini2 (32GB) where I do my "serious" work within Cubasis (because of the better processor on the mini2), and have GB on iPad4 (64GB) where it runs fine and dandy and resides with big space eaters like Alchemy, BeatHawk, Launchpad and others. I'm just glad having more than one iDevice gives me the luxury of choice that sadly other users don't have.
Yeah, sadly, that's why I tried to summon @LFS about Cubasis.
Even if Cubasis had variable tempo, it's probably not possible to get the tempo track out of GB. Auria has a tempo track, but I don't think it would be possible to sync it with the output from GB.
You're probably right. Just wishful thinking. Wonder if you output the MIDI from GarageBand, whether that would contain tempo information?
No midi-output in Garageband...
Ah well. Like I said, wishful thinking.