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Is AUM enough? Do I need another DAW??
Hi there folks. I am in the process of moving my creationary capacities to my new iPad mini 4. I am somewhat used to Logic Pro X on MBP although i definitely have not mastered it.
I am looking at this AUM app, and wondering if it in combination with Final Touch for mastering, is enough for me to start bangin out some tracks? If I have AUM and FInal Touch, do I even need Cubasis or MultitrackRecorder?
I am using Samplr and Loopy for recording/mangling beatboxing and singing, and Nave,DXI and Sunrizer for synths. Want to get it all cohesive, with an eye at a workflow that will function well playing live sets as well as recording albums.
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I'd say invest a little more and go for Auria Pro. As for your question, the answer is yes, you can!
Mayhaps when the Itunes gift cards start rolling in around the end of the year! I have already put a sizable dent in my budget and I am about out of gear to sell , trying to avoid spousal wrath
I will jump on AUM though, its on sale for a few more days.
An equal number of people (perhaps more!) prefer Cubasis. I have both, and while I completely believe the testimonials of Those Who Know, despite Auria's alleged superiority, I find it off-putting. Cubasis is much friendlier to track in, I think. (I haven't really delved into the Auria update, which seems to make Auria more appealing.)
But you'll want a DAW to add on to the fantastic ideas you got down on the quick in AUM.
Depends do you need to see, arrange audio tracks or do multitrack recording then yes a DAW would be very useful? If you just want to record a bunch of music apps live in one take then AUM is nice and quick.
This!
Hi
AUM is not a DAW, so if you plan to edit multitrack recordings you will need a "real" DAW.
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Just snagged AUM, I will definitely look into Cubasis. If Cubasis or any of the iOS DAWs would just add a global tuning option I would be in hog heaven. I compose strictly in 432hz (dodges tomatoes) and got used to Logic's easy peasy global tuning.
Check out the Auria forum as well: regardless if you use Auria or not, there are also some useful tips for iOS musicians/producers, and they also keep the best iOS compatibility list of audio interfaces, regularly updated.
http://auriaapp.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=c24010f7588a277b061176b25507aaac
@Gaia.Tree tomato thrown. Kidding, would be interested in your first impressions of AUM. I've been eyeing it for similar purposes.
AUM isn't a sequencer. So, if you need to lay down MIDI notes for later editing and playback then you'll need to address that at some point. If the apps you use all have their own sequencers, and you can get them to synchronize properly on playback, then maybe that's not an issue.
It also doesn't have an audio editor. So at a minimum you'll need AudioShare or some other audio editor that will let you trim loops.
Could someone make an album with just AUM? Yes. Would anyone want to, or would it be worth the cost savings? I don't think so. Better to get a DAW that has more of the basics that would be needed for arranging and mixing when you can.
Don't get me wrong AUM is great for getting up and running quickly, jamming, possibly performing, etc. You're gonna want it anyway so no lost investment there!
Don't forget GarageBand!
It's free, and does most of what people need starting off in a DAW. It's just limited in that it only outputs a single stereo track and doesn't save MIDI files for working on elsewhere.
Will fortunately for @Gaia.Tree the 432hz healing power will protect him from the tomatoes impact.
I write songs at 432.5hz and it makes people squirm
http://www.432hertz.com/432hz_Healing.html
I do have Audioshare, and I do have garageband. I will putz around in GB but I dont think it will have my forever loyalty. I am also looking at Modstep as a possible semi-daw in combo with audioshare,aum and final touch. probably will throw cubasis or auria in there as well at some point. THank you for the detailed response!
The 432 woo-mojo wont stop the tomatoes from hitting me, but it sure helps me retain my Buddha-like peace and have compassion for my persecutors
@Gaia.Tree the people quoting me left out he part where i said I was kidding. There are interesting things to be found on the level of frequency. Happy music making!
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And me quoting left out the part where I knew you were kidding
I love being able to laugh at my own stereotypes tho
I know. That's why I write at 432.5hz. Disorienting and uncomfortable, like a slight detuning.
This, this, this... and also this:
https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/15901/daw-like-apps-for-iphone#latest
If you are into MIDI stuff and edit MIDI, then yes.
IF not, not you could do it -------I guess.
But, being that there are many cheap alternatives including NTRACK being like $2 per month or HarmonicDogs Audio DAW type app, it isn't like a big investment.
Personally - I like Cubasis because I am used to it.
Before that I used Ableton and Acid on PC.
I have ALL of them for IOS but always end up at Cubasis on IPAD and HarmonicDog or GargBand on IPhone.
Thats just me.
As soon as I get payed again, im going to get Modstep and Harmonicdig's Multitrack DAW , and just sequence and record my audio with modstep, then arrange on timeline in MTD. Curious if anybody else has this kind of workflow?
Cubasis 2.x is really great, but, why you should choose Auria Pro spells; FABFILTER!
The IAP plugins in Auria is superior to anything on iPad...
And, Fabfilter Twin & Twin Two is two amazing synths!
I don't know the exact meaning of the Digital Audio Workstation but if we assume it is a complete package for midi and audio recording then AUM really isn't one.
It does not mean it can't do that kind of thing as it is a mixer with built-in audio recording and management but doesn't correspond to the above idea of a traditional Daw.
It will also depend how you use a piece of software. Gadget, tabletop or egoist might fulfil expectations of a Daw if you're happy with non-linear sequencing.
MTD is one of my first apps (since iPad One) and still a favourite for multitracking.
But as an audio arranger it's unusable for my stuff - which is not the fault of MTD, but related to my particular workflow.
You can move (say) 4 segments per 5-minute track around, but sample accurate work with many parts over several tracks is between no fun at all and impossible.
MTD's strength is to quickly arrange some backing and then (loop)record/overdub.
It's very efficient in that context and beats (for my use) practically everything - and I hope the developer keeps it as straight and simple as it is now.
Hi there! I found this topic after writing "AUM as a DAW" in Google, since I have the very same doubt as Gaia.Tree. I almost gave up using AUM as a DAW after I bought Cubasis in last year's Black Fiday, but, since, Cubasis still doesn't have busses or subgroups (please pardon me if I'm mistaken about any of this, I'm still discovering the app, to be honest), I've thought about using Audiobus to transfer my Cubasis project tracks to AUM, mix them in groups through busses and then sending them back to Cubasis, in order to make more track-specific mixing in it. What do you guys think?
That kind of works but moving things back and forth and creating multiple wav files can get hairy. That's why Auria Pro is the way To go. I have all three and use all in different scenarios.
It's certainly possible to use AUM in conjunction with MIDI apps to control synths hosted in AUM and route the final output to a bus to record or record separate channels in AUM for mastering elsewhere. The sequencing would be handled by the MIDI apps and have them respond to AUM's transport controls would be very useful. You could certainly get the effect of freezing by recording the audio generated from separate tracks with MIDI controlled synths and then load the audio tracks back into AUM for further manipulation with effects or to add other MIDI controlled synth tracks.
One thing you won't get with AUM is any sort of timeline like in a traditional DAW so if you anticipate have different synths or presets in different sections of your song, using a traditional DAW or importing audio tracks into a traditional DAW would definitely be the way to go.
You can take a hybrid approach where you record the MIDI controlled synths and effects hosted in AUM as the output in AUM routed to audio and MIDI tracks of a traditional DAW. The benefit of such an aproach is to be able to take advantage of the bus, mixing, and MIDI filtering functions of AUM, be able to record the MIDI and audio into tracks of the traditional DAW and use this as a foundation for more post processing in the DAW later on plus the DAW wouldn't be burdened with all of the processing already done in AUM. After recording the MIDI into the DAW, you'd modify the original AUM setup so the MIDI controlling it is sent to AUM from the DAW, you can then go back and change the MIDI to record the audio if you desire as well.
Alternatively, AUM could be a sketch pad where you try out various setups in AUM which are accompanied by an audio mixdown from your DAW project to see what will work. When you find a setup you like, then you can create tracks for it in the DAW whether it's creating audio and MIDI output from AUM or hosting the apps in the DAW itself.
Another advantage of an AUM hybrid approach is that many AU apps have additional control parameters that are exposed in AUM which can be controlled by MIDI but very rarely in other AU host apps. This additional AUM automation will effectively provide your DAW with this enhanced AU MIDI control.
Its not your traditional DAW at all
Aum+modstep can indeed replace a daw quite well. Although it's quite a bit fiddly for audio tracks. You'd need blocs to timestretch the files to the desired tempo.