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From my experience I would say that you can get very, very close to the Jupiter-8 sound with today's iOS synths. If you spend some time with them, that is
You mentioned the JD-Xi, I really love this synth. If most of the presets have a dance flavour, but if you create your own you can get some really nice warm sounds, lots of classic Roland sounds on it. It also has a real analog synth onboard, check my YouTube for examples.
I think roland cloud stuff sounds amazing. Far better then arturia, the only VA that matches it in quality from my ears and what ive heard is u-he repro or Omnisphere
Zeeon and Model D on iOS are sounding as good too. The plug-ins just have better FX mostly (but Zeeon Phaser is superb and the chorus is great too).
Not sure about Omnisphere. If you take the pure synthesis without FX, it‘s not the best synth engine out there (but i love it especially with the Keyscape sound sources). But Omnisphere is still the best virtual workstation and synth for performance for me.
Everything U-he is fantastic (they seems to make an Eurorack module now too). I can‘t wait for their Lyrebird Pro.
With DRC, Model-D and Zeeon there's few to complain in the virtual analog domain.
I'll add the PPG hybrids (in particular Infinite), Mitosynth and TF-7 - and you're set for 150 bucks to (practically) cover any synthesized sound imaginable.
Nice to see this post back from t'dead !
it's nice but there are plenty of iOS apps with comparable sounds. I stand by my earlier comment about the importance of hands on .. despite the small sliders which are actually perfectly manageable.
Since my earlier comment m, I've now actually played a jupiter 8... yes it does need fx to bring it to life. Awesome bit of kit though. Also, despite my earlier comment and disregard of the boutique JP08... I know have one
Dont agree about zeeon and whatever ios has to offer, roland cloud synths have some magic going on to my ears that is very special. Repro has it, diva doesnt . IMO
Omnisphere close because it uses some good samples
Do you mind recording and posting one such sound here?
I have the JP-08, JX-03 and JU-06. Overall, I like them. The controls are a bit small but it's still way more fun using actual hands-on controls than doing it all on a screen. The sounds are great too. The JU in particular is really fat and heavy. The JP does need a little processing to make it shine but makes up for it with the wealth of options (two envelopes, oscillator cross mod, pwm, etc. etc.). The JX is naturally very warm sounding. The biggest issue for me is the latency. It's around 10-15ms which, if you add that to your software monitoring latency, can start to pile up. Thankfully in Cubase 9.5 you can set them up as external instrument tracks which seems to combat the latency somewhat, and you can always use negative track delay. But yeah I mean, for the price of them (250-300 when they came out, and even more for the rare ones now) it's a bit disappointing that they nerfed the processing power as much as they did. On the flipside, the oscillators go to really high frequencies without any noticeable aliasing, so I guess that's the trade off. Higher latency in order to get a clearer sound. Still dig em though. I need a soundcard with enough inputs to run my 3 boutiques and all 6 Volcas but, not happening for a while.
Thanks @chimp_spanner for the info.
I'm really disappointed to hear that the latency is much worse than the soft synths on my old PC with ASIO4all. I didn't expect this to be the case at all - I thought Roland would have stopped selling underpowered machines by now, but apparently they haven't
Yeah - there's a lot of resistance to admit it among its fans, but the tests have been done and it's a real thing. I think you probably wouldn't notice it all the time? But if you're doing fast 16ths, you can really feel it lagging. Like I said, easily compensated for in your sequencer. I'd just rather not have to!
it's not CPU-power related. I have a DSP system with the same chip architecture Roland uses. Spits out tones in less than 1ms.
Imho it's keyboard/midi related...
You can just download the 30 day trial.
shrugs I mean...I've tried it over USB, and over 5-pin. No difference. Word is that the SH-01 is significantly quicker so maybe they changed something? But Roland themselves have confirmed that it's within the "design specification" and can't be changed or updated. So whatever it is, seems we're stuck with it!
@yonhorizon said:
OK, then which synth and which preset for example? I'm really curious about it.
I didn't read the entire thread, but I'll just say this. I also wanted a Jupiter 8 since they were first announced. I was finally able to buy one. First impressions were good. Build quality was superb, the unit was weighty and all the knobs and sliders had a feel good factor.
Then I started to run through the presets and tinker with the knobs and sliders and that's when the disappointment started to set in. Where were the deep, lush, warm string pads and chunky, sub bass patches ? This thing was so ordinary it beggared belief...
That's when I realized that you needed tens thousands of dollars in high quality vintage outboard, a 24-track analog tape deck, a large format console, a good group of musicians, and a producer and engineer that knew what the fuck they were doing to make Duran Duran.
It's not the gear, guys, and it's not magic.
Im just talking about the overall quality. Imo its outstanding. Brings the cpu to the knees but definetly worth it.
Truly heartbreaking revelation.
The truth really hurts sometimes.
True. It is def. a high quality like U-he, Korg and Moog stuff. And yes, i tried it but too hard on cpu. So i doubt any iOS device could run it yet without further optimizing and/or some limitations.
Yeah. It was so. much. money.
Funny story: when I sold it not long after, the guy that bought it thought something was wrong with it, because he also expected those big lush sounds we've heard so much about. My tech had gone through it with a fine-toothed comb, and so did his. We decided they're just not that good unless you slap a Dimension D or something on the output.
I doubt you ever heard an analog in any track without a some extra EQ, FX, Amp etc.
Maybe because of that i wasn´t impressed at all with some hardware emulation when using dry. But the magic starts if you use modulations at audio rate and/or add high quality FX to the raw sound.
Great analog circuit modeled OSC and filters plus fantastic FX is the real deal.
I might even think FX is more important than the raw sound. If a synth has at least a medium good sound you can make it great and fat with good FX. But crap FX will even let your hardware sounds like a digital faulty device.
So f.e. It´s the guitar or the amp which does the main part...or both? Hard to say sometimes.
If both is excellent you have a winner for sure.
Pink lipstick. You forgot the pink lipstick.
Honestly, a good, if painful, reminder. One other thing you need: the song. The Rio arpeggio is neat and all but it would just be a bunch of bleeps and bloops without that song.
Also helps: doing it first. That same Rio arpeggio is fairly tired at this point because there's been a jillion similar things on records since. When we all heard it for the first time though, it did seem like magic. And if we could only get a Jupiter-8...
Ha! I just listened to both Rio and Hungry Like the Wolf, both classic DD "Jupiter-8 Pr0n" tunes. What really really stands out in this context (30 years later, of course) is how completely incidental the synth parts are. They're great pop songs and they'd be just as good without the bubbling J8 additions.
Jupiter 4 apparently !? regardless, this stem is actually pretty cool
Well, in fact, the fattest sounds I created on hardware synths have no FX at all. EQ - yes, valve and enhancer circuitry - yes, feedback and oscillator modulation tricks too, but reverb/chorus/flanger/phaser usually make the sound "wider" but "thinner".
Roland Dimension D-like chorus FX are a bit better in this regard with their high-pass filtered and stereo-enhanced chorus effect path.
JD-Xi is my favorite - it is so mobile you can just sit on a couch with it and jam on...
Comes with all the drum kits - unlike its big brother JD-XA.
the other side can be true as well sometimes... my holy grail instrument desire was the Roland Rs-505 and I will tell you this, when I got it it sounded better than I had ever imagined... that things sounds gorgeously lush and delightful no matter what you run it through or don't run it through for that matter. all of this to say that sometimes dreams do come true.
Nice find! More bits than I realized. Still, think if it was just guitar, bass, drums and vocals, it would work.
Not trying to take away from my first synth hero, Mr Rhodes.