Composing tracks in Gadget

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Gadget is likely the fastest way for me to compose structured tracks..I like the scene set up where you can set up different bar lengths..this makes all the difference for me

u0421793

It is certainly the fastest way for me to generate a bunch of never-to-be-finished starts.

dokwok2

Thank you for those tips, @Matt_Fletcher_2000.

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

@db909 said:
If you could move the individual track clips around the same way you do the scenes this wouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, drag and drop for a part, instead on Function, Copy, Paste, Clear and that is the simplified version....i left out the hunt for the scene you want to move it to, get unsure if you copied the right part, go back start again LOL

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

AndyPlankton

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@db909 said:
If you could move the individual track clips around the same way you do the scenes this wouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, drag and drop for a part, instead on Function, Copy, Paste, Clear and that is the simplified version....i left out the hunt for the scene you want to move it to, get unsure if you copied the right part, go back start again LOL

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

db909

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@db909 said:
If you could move the individual track clips around the same way you do the scenes this wouldn't be a problem.

Yeah, drag and drop for a part, instead on Function, Copy, Paste, Clear and that is the simplified version....i left out the hunt for the scene you want to move it to, get unsure if you copied the right part, go back start again LOL

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

No. They haven't

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

Hit 'function' and next to 'add' is a new duplicate icon.
If you hold down on the left cell on the part you want to move, it will allow you to slide it anywhere in the arrangement.

AndyPlankton

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

Hit 'function' and next to 'add' is a new duplicate icon.
If you hold down on the left cell on the part you want to move, it will allow you to slide it anywhere in the arrangement.

The duplicate is for scenes and not individual parts as far as I can see

JohnnyGoodyear

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

Hit 'function' and next to 'add' is a new duplicate icon.
If you hold down on the left cell on the part you want to move, it will allow you to slide it anywhere in the arrangement.

The duplicate is for scenes and not individual parts as far as I can see

I need clarity and agreement amongst you professors on this sort stuff

AudioGus

@Igneous1 said:
So, V3 for all it's very welcome additions is still the same in terms of arranging. I'm currently working on a track (for this month's SOTMC) and copying 4 scenes to repeat is still as 'manual' as it was

Still dig the mighty Gadge mightily, but am surprised more changes weren't made in this area. Is this the same for the mac version ? I should also say that I think Korg have their own vision for developing Gadget and I don't think user feature requests make much headway with them. Nonetheless, I live in hope.

Yah it seems like clip instancing or cloning would be a very useful no brainer. Having to only edit one clip and having it automaticly propogate etc.

AndyPlankton

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

Hit 'function' and next to 'add' is a new duplicate icon.
If you hold down on the left cell on the part you want to move, it will allow you to slide it anywhere in the arrangement.

The duplicate is for scenes and not individual parts as far as I can see

@Thomas Are you talking about duplicating a row, as this is what I refer to as a scene, a part is an individual cell on a row.
Just to clarify

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas Are you talking about duplicating a row, as this is what I refer to as a scene, a part is an individual cell on a row.
Just to clarify

Yeah; under 'function' there is 'duplicate' for a scene, besides 'copy/paste' for cells. Then, the newer duplicate icon at the bottom of the arrangement. Still getting used to that one, but has sped things up nicely.

AndyPlankton

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas Are you talking about duplicating a row, as this is what I refer to as a scene, a part is an individual cell on a row.
Just to clarify

Yeah; under 'function' there is 'duplicate' for a scene, besides 'copy/paste' for cells. Then, the newer duplicate icon at the bottom of the arrangement. Still getting used to that one, but has sped things up nicely.

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

That I'll agree with. ...but coming from an Alesis MMT8...

AndyPlankton

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

That I'll agree with. ...but coming from an Alesis MMT8...

Yes it is all relative at the end of the day.....thinks about those poor computer programmers from times gone by with their cards, sticky tape and hole cutters

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

Then again, with my workflow, I usually mute cells within scenes under 'function.' So, it's worked very well for me to copy the scene under 'function', then drag it where i want it. Then, I have the other cells to edit to further develop the copied & dragged scene.

AndyPlankton

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

Then again, with my workflow, I usually mute cells within scenes under 'function.' So, it's worked very well for me to copy the scene under 'function', then drag it where i want it. Then, I have the other cells to edit to further develop the copied & dragged scene.

Yes i do this too, but if I start with a 4 bar drum loop, copy some scenes, then turn the 4 Bar loop into an 8 bar loop, I then have to copy paste that part onto all of the copied scenes,which is very tedious and the only marker you have as to which is the next scene to copy to is the fact that it still says 4 bars..... and then after more refinement I make it a 16 bar loop, I have to repeat the process again......
having drag and drop for this or a single copy to multiple destinations would help a lot.

Thomas

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

Thanks....it is still a pain if you want to move individual parts (cells) around though, particularly if you have to do any scrolling in between the copy and paste.

Then again, with my workflow, I usually mute cells within scenes under 'function.' So, it's worked very well for me to copy the scene under 'function', then drag it where i want it. Then, I have the other cells to edit to further develop the copied & dragged scene.

Yes i do this too, but if I start with a 4 bar drum loop, copy some scenes, then turn the 4 Bar loop into an 8 bar loop, I then have to copy paste that part onto all of the copied scenes,which is very tedious and the only marker you have as to which is the next scene to copy to is the fact that it still says 4 bars..... and then after more refinement I make it a 16 bar loop, I have to repeat the process again......
having drag and drop for this or a single copy to multiple destinations would help a lot.

Yeah, having to go thru the entire scene to shorten the bars is really tedious ...but then again, once you move from Figure, everything on iOS is tedious.

Igneous1

@Thomas said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@Thomas said:

just wanted to say that these issues have been corrected in the last major update

How ? It is still exactly the same...

Hit 'function' and next to 'add' is a new duplicate icon.
If you hold down on the left cell on the part you want to move, it will allow you to slide it anywhere in the arrangement.

Unless I'm missing something, this is just the same as it was before, with a new icon to do what you could already with the 'function' side of things (insert and duplicate).
Anyway, there's still no way of copying / moving around multiple scenes, in the way that you can with pretty much any other DAW (irregardless of the horizontal or vertical layout) or a timeline of any kind.

ricksteruk

@Matt_Fletcher_2000 said:
My tips;

• Rename your scenes to help with your structuring (eg intro, verse 1, etc...)

How on earth do you rename Scenes? I have clicked on them, long pressed on them, pressed and swiped up/down/left/right, hit the function button and pressed all the options, long pressed pretty much every button on the screen.. What gives!

Igneous1

You press on function and then on the time signature in the top left, which brings up a box where you can rename the scene.

srcer

@kgmessier said:

@u0421793 said:
I wonder if one day we'll see a sort of 'grown up gadget', which might act a lot like gadget as it stands now, but has no 'built in' synths, relying on other stand-alone ones, and has proper interfacing with the rest of the world so that it can accurately slave to audio recording apps, etc. Sort of an 'empty' but stronger gadget that, from the start, requires hooking up to other normal compositional workflow apps. In fact, and I've never paid much attention to them as a genre, but Korg do a series of professional arranger keyboards (including the hilarious 'Liverpool' one). That kind of workflow of 'arranging' at the bulk level might be useful to add, too.

If KORG doesn't do that soon, someone else surely will. However, at their current pace (read: breakneck), I wouldn't be surprised if KORG gets on it sooner rather than later.

I'll go on record as saying likely someone else, it's counter to their current business model, so innovator's dilemma¹

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1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator's_Dilemma ↩︎

ricksteruk

@Igneous1 said:
You press on function and then on the time signature in the top left, which brings up a box where you can rename the scene.

THANKYOU THANKYOU

o_imseng

I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

AndyPlankton

@srcer said:

@kgmessier said:

@u0421793 said:
I wonder if one day we'll see a sort of 'grown up gadget', which might act a lot like gadget as it stands now, but has no 'built in' synths, relying on other stand-alone ones, and has proper interfacing with the rest of the world so that it can accurately slave to audio recording apps, etc. Sort of an 'empty' but stronger gadget that, from the start, requires hooking up to other normal compositional workflow apps. In fact, and I've never paid much attention to them as a genre, but Korg do a series of professional arranger keyboards (including the hilarious 'Liverpool' one). That kind of workflow of 'arranging' at the bulk level might be useful to add, too.

If KORG doesn't do that soon, someone else surely will. However, at their current pace (read: breakneck), I wouldn't be surprised if KORG gets on it sooner rather than later.

I'll go on record as saying likely someone else, it's counter to their current business model, so innovator's dilemma[^1]

[^1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Innovator's_Dilemma

Does this not already exist.......ModStep ?

AndyPlankton

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

It is being able to use the sequencer to control external gear or other sound sources that it doesn't have.

iansainsbury

I never thought I'd find the non-linear approach useful, but I really like it. MIDI out would make it unbeatable.

o_imseng

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

It is being able to use the sequencer to control external gear or other sound sources that it doesn't have.

Hmm ok, i do think its a very good solution and concept but I never felt the need I should be able to drive external stuff with that.

AndyPlankton

@o_imseng said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

It is being able to use the sequencer to control external gear or other sound sources that it doesn't have.

Hmm ok, i do think its a very good solution and concept but I never felt the need I should be able to drive external stuff with that.

For me not so much with soft synths as the included ones cover most ground....for me it is about driving external hardware like a Circuit and Mininova. I like to have all units and controls laid out in front of me rather than having to swap screens etc for tweaking, to the extent that when purely in gadget I do little or no modulation....
Now if Gadget were really like the pictures of all the virtual units laid out as hardware units, it would be almost perfect.
It is baffling to me that korg make Gadget and Volcas and do not easily allow them to be used together ? It is not just about sync...you should be able to make a pattern on a volca keys, record it into gadget onto say Phoenix....tweak the pattern and make variations, then record those patterns back onto the Volca Keys.

Another reason for this is to allow multiple live setups.....Play with Just Gadget when i only have my iPad with me, but also with a simple MIDI output setting allow me to use the same patterns using an external audio source for when I have those sources available.

Imagine Gadget with MIDI out and each Gadget also available hardware unit.

o_imseng

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

It is being able to use the sequencer to control external gear or other sound sources that it doesn't have.

Hmm ok, i do think its a very good solution and concept but I never felt the need I should be able to drive external stuff with that.

For me not so much with soft synths as the included ones cover most ground....for me it is about driving external hardware like a Circuit and Mininova. I like to have all units and controls laid out in front of me rather than having to swap screens etc for tweaking, to the extent that when purely in gadget I do little or no modulation....
Now if Gadget were really like the pictures of all the virtual units laid out as hardware units, it would be almost perfect.
It is baffling to me that korg make Gadget and Volcas and do not easily allow them to be used together ? It is not just about sync...you should be able to make a pattern on a volca keys, record it into gadget onto say Phoenix....tweak the pattern and make variations, then record those patterns back onto the Volca Keys.

Another reason for this is to allow multiple live setups.....Play with Just Gadget when i only have my iPad with me, but also with a simple MIDI output setting allow me to use the same patterns using an external audio source for when I have those sources available.

Imagine Gadget with MIDI out and each Gadget also available hardware unit.

Not necessary for me. That's more of an unnecessary toy aspect for me. Don't want to say its not a valid use case for others but I ain't missing that. I can't find any appeal in "hardware" anyway, its just software with some plastic around it. Nothing I miss haptically.