Composing tracks in Gadget

AndyPlankton

@o_imseng said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:

@AndyPlankton said:

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

It is being able to use the sequencer to control external gear or other sound sources that it doesn't have.

Hmm ok, i do think its a very good solution and concept but I never felt the need I should be able to drive external stuff with that.

For me not so much with soft synths as the included ones cover most ground....for me it is about driving external hardware like a Circuit and Mininova. I like to have all units and controls laid out in front of me rather than having to swap screens etc for tweaking, to the extent that when purely in gadget I do little or no modulation....
Now if Gadget were really like the pictures of all the virtual units laid out as hardware units, it would be almost perfect.
It is baffling to me that korg make Gadget and Volcas and do not easily allow them to be used together ? It is not just about sync...you should be able to make a pattern on a volca keys, record it into gadget onto say Phoenix....tweak the pattern and make variations, then record those patterns back onto the Volca Keys.

Another reason for this is to allow multiple live setups.....Play with Just Gadget when i only have my iPad with me, but also with a simple MIDI output setting allow me to use the same patterns using an external audio source for when I have those sources available.

Imagine Gadget with MIDI out and each Gadget also available hardware unit.

Not necessary for me. That's more of an unnecessary toy aspect for me. Don't want to say its not a valid use case for others but I ain't missing that. I can't find any appeal in "hardware" anyway, its just software with some plastic around it. Nothing I miss haptically.

For me hardware is tactile and easily tweaked during a performance/recording as well as being a way of offloading processing from the iPad to an external unit to avoid having to freeze (which removes your ability to tweak while frozen) when audio crackles start appearing..Coming from an age when there was a 286 processor in my PC having this ability has always been a must....old habits die hard as they say

Igneous1

@o_imseng said:
I dont know what you guys keep missing. Agreed the audio handling could be a bit smoother but everything is there incl. Sync with the rest of the world via Link.

I'm more concerned with how to write music exclusively within Gadget itself, so Link isn't necessary for me. Each to their own, mind.

o_imseng

Hmm just try it.
Its definitely possible. I just wrote this piece here in about 3 days.

espiegel123

Question: is there anyway to have Gadget create new sections (or whatever they are called in Gadgetland) when recording if you want to play for more than 16 bars?

Related, let's say you have multiple sections and want to jam over them and record the jam, will Gadget let you do that?

Halftone

@espiegel123 said:
Question: is there anyway to have Gadget create new sections (or whatever they are called in Gadgetland) when recording if you want to play for more than 16 bars?

Related, let's say you have multiple sections and want to jam over them and record the jam, will Gadget let you do that?

Set up a bunch of empty 16 bar scenes in the gadget you want to record - turn off loop recording and start recording - it will keep recording and move on to the next scene (or section) once it reaches end of each 16 bars.

espiegel123

Tx!

Last question for a bit: is there some way to record using Zurich to capture audio from an amp sim like Tonestack?

@Halftone said:

@espiegel123 said:
Question: is there anyway to have Gadget create new sections (or whatever they are called in Gadgetland) when recording if you want to play for more than 16 bars?

Related, let's say you have multiple sections and want to jam over them and record the jam, will Gadget let you do that?

Set up a bunch of empty 16 bar scenes in the gadget you want to record - turn off loop recording and start recording - it will keep recording and move on to the next scene (or section) once it reaches end of each 16 bars.

Halftone

@espiegel123 said:
Tx!

Last question for a bit: is there some way to record using Zurich to capture audio from an amp sim like Tonestack?

@Halftone said:

@espiegel123 said:
Question: is there anyway to have Gadget create new sections (or whatever they are called in Gadgetland) when recording if you want to play for more than 16 bars?

Related, let's say you have multiple sections and want to jam over them and record the jam, will Gadget let you do that?

Set up a bunch of empty 16 bar scenes in the gadget you want to record - turn off loop recording and start recording - it will keep recording and move on to the next scene (or section) once it reaches end of each 16 bars.

No unfortunately- just a direct line in record option. Best route here - host Gadget in AUM - host ToneStack in AUM (or anything app synths fx) and record perfect 4-8-16 etc bar loops and import those into Gadget (Zurich or Rosario or Abu or Bilbao or Vancouver ) I do this all the time and it's a good workflow

rs2000

@espiegel123 said:
Tx!

Last question for a bit: is there some way to record using Zurich to capture audio from an amp sim like Tonestack?

Another option: You can load ToneStack or any other IAA effect in AudioShare, record, process, trim and import into Gadget.
It's a good idea to include a short bit of silence before the recorded riff so you have more freedom when trimming and syncing the riff with the rest of your song inside Gadget.
Also think about splitting the recordings into smaller chunks and firing them off using bilbao MPC-style - it's all up to how you prefer to work.

espiegel123

Tx. I don't suppose that Zurich or Rosario are clever when importing long audio and dividing it between scenes when the audio is longer than the first scene (in the way that it does if you record audio in non-loop mode).

Thanks

@Halftone said:

@espiegel123 said:
Tx!

Last question for a bit: is there some way to record using Zurich to capture audio from an amp sim like Tonestack?

@Halftone said:

@espiegel123 said:
Question: is there anyway to have Gadget create new sections (or whatever they are called in Gadgetland) when recording if you want to play for more than 16 bars?

Related, let's say you have multiple sections and want to jam over them and record the jam, will Gadget let you do that?

Set up a bunch of empty 16 bar scenes in the gadget you want to record - turn off loop recording and start recording - it will keep recording and move on to the next scene (or section) once it reaches end of each 16 bars.

No unfortunately- just a direct line in record option. Best route here - host Gadget in AUM - host ToneStack in AUM (or anything app synths fx) and record perfect 4-8-16 etc bar loops and import those into Gadget (Zurich or Rosario or Abu or Bilbao or Vancouver ) I do this all the time and it's a good workflow

Spidericemidas

@Halftone said:

@LeeB said:
It's also the thing that stops me creating anything other than loops. Starting out originallly from cubase on the Atari I've always sequenced and arranged in the usual horizontal timeline, so getting used to Gadget's way of doing things is a creativity killer for me.

I'm the complete opposite - Gadgets timeline and sequencing fit almost perfectly with the way my brain works for some reason. My first foray into music sequencing of any kind was Rebirth (then Reason, Acid, Ableton) so maybe that has something to do with it? I can make tracks with a horizontal timeline yes, but Gadget just clicks with me on so many levels.

Have to agree here, Gadget really clicks with my way of thinking and creating too. I don’t experience any problems or challenges with the sequencer and the whole copy/paste thing from scene to scene. It’s very easy to arrange in. Simple standard industry practices like using risers, downfilters, crashes on the downbeats, starting an instrument a few beats before the beginning of, and leading into, the next bar, are all standard ways to “blur” the rigid structure of ‘grid music’. It just works for me on every level.

rs2000

@espiegel123 said:
Tx. I don't suppose that Zurich or Rosario are clever when importing long audio and dividing it between scenes when the audio is longer than the first scene (in the way that it does if you record audio in non-loop mode).

That's correct. They're both rather stupid gadgets when it comes to handling audio files.
Importing audio longer than 16 bars will just stop playing at the end of the last step.
You even have to add 15 bars of leading silence if the riff starts at beat 15 of 16. What a waste of storage, and another reason to stay with shorter phrases or use bilbao instead of Zurich/Rosario.
Linear recording is not the concept of how Gadget works ... to begin with.
It's not a problem for me because I'd split the guitar track into song sections anyway or switch to a different DAW.