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The older we get, the smaller our tool
Many of us have often noted that there's an unexpected bulk of not-particularly-young people here. It's interesting, and curious. Why is it that a lot of the people using iPads and mobile music here are those of us that can see more days behind us than in front? I think it is not specific or unique to iOS. It's just a thing that happens as one gets older, to slim down, strip away, expose the essential, and shed that which never mattered after all. Newcomers to here are frequently under the impression that they're somehow older than the norm, and it equally frequently surprises them to find out they're not.
You'd think, at first, that it's the youngsters that are doing everything on their phones. Turns out it isn't. I can think of one parallel - photography. This summer is the first time I've been without an extensive Nikon system (got rid of it all, many lenses and multiple flashguns and body, got this iPad Pro secondhand instead, only have one remaining camera now - Sony RX10). However, in the camera sphere (and many readers here are in that too) we witness a shift, in film cameras particularly, to not wanting to carry a ridiculously heavy system (particularly medium format) and in preference, only carrying a relatively compact lightweight rangefinder instead. Similarly, not wanting to carry a range of lenses or set of zoom lenses that could cover every imagineable focal length, but settling on a set of commonly used ones, or more extremely, deciding which one you mostly use and just carrying that (in my case, I'd be happy with a good medium-wide prime almost all the time. We just don't want to carry the weight or bulk, and we know what we don't need.
I think that's what's happening here. We've been through the whole home studio thing, when that was necessary and when that was the only way, but we see a viable alternative that makes more sense, thanks to modern technology, and we go for it. I suspect the youngsters still get dazzled by the boxes that light up and the prospect of hooking a whole wall of them together as if they're assembling the flight deck of a space station, and they're single and earning anyway, so they spend on that. Same in photography - the youngsters all go straight for a DSLR as soon as they can, and then add lenses, etc, with a tripod, and carry the whole lot everywhere. They have yet to gain the experience to recognise what they aren't going to need.
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Best thread title ever.
As a partial response. I think we generally get more practical when we get older. This is particularly true to folks with small kids where time/space come at a premium. Then many post-kids go back to collections of boxes with Boeing lightshow and looms of cables worthy of Medusa.
I'm also finding that when younger one is more likely to engage in making music with other people (at least in my time) while with kids eradicated one's social life an idevice can be a friend replacement therapy.
Also economical factor (mortgage and kids again) might push a musician towards a touch screen with apps costing peanuts etc.
Having said all that I still own and intend to keep all of my guitars, bases, mixers, mics, drums and percussion so it's not all dark and digital.
I thought this one was better: https://forum.audiob.us/discussion/12846/a-ratio-knells-on#latest
I think it's just that older people tend to frequent forums, and younger people tend to prefer Facebook and other social media platforms for discussing gear.
In holland the youngsters are more interested in dj gear. When i go to the music store , i only see kids at the dj part of the store staring at all the lights blinking on those controllers. I dont think they realize you can do the same with an ipad and a good dj app.
Agree. BTW Forums are in most cases hang outs for people a different attitude, they're often more engaged and have a slower pace. And most people access them with computers , instead of cell phones. Wonder how many people use their mobile to access this forum? Although think there also a lot of iPad users overhere
I'm responding to this thread on my phone, fwiw.
Probably there are quite a few more.
Just speculating also because a lot of forums are still not made as mobile sites and clumsy to navigate in comparsion to (social media) apps.
I still haven't set up a computer, so I'm only using iPad Pro or Nexus 6p.
True. It's not a good experience on a phone.
To your point, many older folks see an iPad or even an iPhone as a handy computer. Most younger folks see them as social devices.
I think there are many little bits to this soup, but the above -for me- was/is a big chunk of it. And then the Forum aspects (this or others, as if there were
) offers the otherwise isolated family owner a sense/illusion of community also....
I'm only using my ipad, a good mic to record live instruments and a korg keyboard to produce music. I have nothing set up on a computer. I keep wanting to pull out my 4 track recorder mixer and get that vibrant live sound i got in the 1980s
There was less to work with and i could get right to the creative part of song making and recording. I had less but could do more. Now with all these amazing apps to use i hate to say it but sometimes the abundance of choice paralyzes me.
One other thing to be aware of is because of the marvels of mobile devices we are on average getting exposed to alot more wifi emf radiation. When using my ipad for music i can keep the airport mode on so thats good but when surfing or typing a post on a forum its better to have a desktop or laptop at home hard wired so there's no wifi.
"The older we get, the smaller our tool."
Remember gentlemen, it's not about how long it is, it's about how long you make it last.
Anyways, I'm in my early 30s here, and unfortunately didn't escape the age range labelled as "the millenial generation". However, I've had plenty of great experiences in college amongst which was experience on professional equipment. 10 years ago, I took my first MIDI class on Wednesday evenings, and I got experience with things like physically daisy-chaining a few hardware synths, programming them, automated patch changes, etc. I learned how to operate an analogue mixing desk, how to create my own synth patches, record things, manipulate things with automated effects, etc.
I remember how I used to carry my laptop everywhere I went back in 2004/5. Thing weighed a ton compared to, say, an iPad Air 2, and strangely, the iPad Air 2 is still a much more powerful device than that old laptop and has a longer battery life to boot. And, sure, to people who are used to using a ton of plugins, iOS' former lack of Audio Units may have been seen as a major disadvantage, but to someone like me, iOS is more like a virtual version of working in that professional studio room.
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Also, with a couple of awkward exceptions, here you can get a civil exchange of ideas flowing. Learn from others, and pass on what we teach ourselves.
Whereas Facetube, Twatter and pretty much every corner of social media, is awash with trolls blighting digital life, and those whose PC mania has delivered them into a state where they literally would not say boo to a goose!
Similar aged population over at FB ipad musician group, someone did a thread a while back and I think average was upper 40s somewhere. Maybe there's some snapchat or instagram hangout for young uns. I can't believe they are not teens making music with ios, I would have jumped on this stuff at that age trying to loop using a cd player repeatedly triggering to a tape deck cause I could not afford a sampler yet
WOW u042, brilliantly put. I think forums like this, and any forum really, will have their most active members skew older, just a generational thing of not minding writing out their thoughts, etc. My wife & I don't have human kids (we do have a few furry four legged babies though), but are close with our nephews & niece. They're attention spans are incredibly short, while they'd probably say they can just handle more than two things at once.
I don't think writing paragraphs or even a few sentences is that appealing to them while looking online. Twitter & Facebook are full of the text speak abbreviations and monosyllabic sentences. Comes with the territory. Doesn't mean they don't love music and recording as much as anyone, just maybe less analytical and verbose about it.
I know these things consciously but like me and a few members were talking about on the forum yesterday, my own hang ups with getting older can lead me to forget that I'm not the old dude around a forum of cool young cats. I'll feel like I don't want to go all wieny boy in front of the youngins, lol...
Man, did buying all those apps the last few days come with the condition of doing much bloodletting & introspection for a week? Lol...
Yeah, most of my 'stuff' is messed around with on the iPad or MacBook Air...
Then again I'm 'dreaming' of a more flexible sampling workstation for iOS.
I mean check this dude out, making 'pot music'
Needless to say I have very high expectations on both BeatHawk and BeatMaker 3 when they hit...
I also think that we have always kept up with technology, and this technology is of our time. Ironic how the kids are into vintage nostalgia, while the geezers continue to move forwards.
All the talk among "kids" is with Ableton, FL Studio and the like so that's what they gravitate towards when making music. When iPad DAWs start appearing on "best of" lists then there will be more action in that arena, but even in the tablet era computers are ubiquitous.
Image Line claims that the FL Studio demo/installer is downloaded over 30,000 times A DAY (over 10 million times a year) so that's the wave anything on the iPad is up against.
my best friend is unmarried, no kids, gets paid to dj and make music. has a really nice studio and scoffs at my ios love, although he is impressed at what i do with it. but he has the ability to sit down in his studio and hole up for a day at a time if he wants. i don't. that is how i entered ios, because i tried a lot of different mobile ways of making music and this is the best for me.
I can't believe they are not teens making music with ios, I would have jumped on this stuff at that age.
Sure, but you are a smart fellow. Much of Generation Fuckwit can't make that claim.
Harsh.
It's very convenient to have everything on an iPad with you.
No matter what age you are.
It's easy to throw some loops together in those...
I used to take everything from the iPad back to the laptop and finish it there
But slowly I am getting to the point where I don't have to do this anymore.
Same. And iPads ain't cheap.
Similar for me (bus rides to work with Nanostudio and ThumbJam were about all the time I could find for music making with a little'n). I didn't shed the studio though.
20 years ago I had lots of gear and no clue what to do with it.
Now I know what to do and I am fine with an iPad.
I think a lot of the baby boomers have been drawn to ios by the release of such apps as Animoog and subsequent emulations such as iMS20 , i Mini , iSem etc. The access to great quality apps emulating the hardware that played the soundtrack of our lives , or, if we were lucky, we actually owned or played back in the day : certainly makes iOS very desirable. Combine that with the very very cool touch screen, ultra slim portability, wifi and cheap software and its a no brainer. Ive spent years making music at desktops and with huge heavy hardware synths and the freedom that iOS gives is a huge incentive to actually making music.
The hardware is great and looks cool as..but if you had given Keith Emerson an ipad with Model15 and Galileo on it back in 1970 I know what he wouldve been sticking the knives that Lemmy gave him into...
it would be interesting to see a breakdown by age of who has bought these classic apps.
i suspect it may largely correlate with the age group who are currently giving Harley Davidson a new lease of life...I am sure a lot of younger people are into the classic apps also..but would imagine that the numbers drop as the demographic gets younger..Fruity Loops used to be something we ate for breakfast..now its the musical meal for mass consumption...
My digital SLR has stayed on the shelf since I bought the iPhone 5 four years ago. The quality isn't as good, but it's close, and I don't have to lug an extra bag of stuff around.
I've just bought an SE, and quite excited about the higher res and improved camera. Looking forward to taking it out tomorrow.
As some others have said, the iPad is a great music making tool for those of us with little time for proper studio stuff - time and finances wise. And it's a relatively small step to get your music online, networked and heard by your social peers.
Wonderful, small things of joy, in an ever increasingly scary world.
Talking photography, I love some of the shots I've taken with my galaxy but the ones I've taken with my dslr with 50mm f1.4 are simply gorgeously luminous in comparison. The thing is that the Dslr doesn't live in my pocket so only about 3% of the photos actually get taken with it.