The older we get, the smaller our tool

nrgb

@decibelle said:
Did you make that? Awesome!

No, it was a random internet find.

decibelle

@nrgb said:

@decibelle said:
Did you make that? Awesome!

No, it was a random internet find.

Random iInternet finds rox my sox.

Carnbot

@knewspeak said:

@nrgb said:

@knewspeak said:
Who knows, in the future they may cut out 'the middle man', altogether, music for machines, by machines, then the android could dance the slow dance with the microwave.

Life on the couch, while I slowly succumb to entropy.

The Importance of Staring Out Of The Window

mannix

@realdavidai said:

@mannix said:

I have my doubts about iOS. 1st Android has more or less overcome the latency problems and the market is much bigger. Also shuffle with files is so much easier on android. 2st Browser Based, which is often open source, audio stuff is developing at a super high speed the last few years. Advantage of Browser Based stuff you are not dependent on specific hardware.

Possibly, though even though Windows has had most of the desktop market share, Mac is still more than relevant for Audio and Video production.

Yes, of course it's possibilty. Future of tech is hard tp predict. Apple was at a certain time near dead... The only thing I see is that things concerning use of Apple products in the pro sector are rapidly changing. Where especially you saw Macs dominating in the creative business. Has probably everything with current crisis, so costs aspect.

knewspeak

@Carnbot said:

@knewspeak said:

@nrgb said:

@knewspeak said:
Who knows, in the future they may cut out 'the middle man', altogether, music for machines, by machines, then the android could dance the slow dance with the microwave.

Life on the couch, while I slowly succumb to entropy.

The Importance of Staring Out Of The Window

Maybe Einstein did this when he hopped on board his train, the only thing he didn't figure, was why as we get older, the passage of time, accelerates.

decibelle

@knewspeak said:

@Carnbot said:

@knewspeak said:

@nrgb said:

@knewspeak said:
Who knows, in the future they may cut out 'the middle man', altogether, music for machines, by machines, then the android could dance the slow dance with the microwave.

Life on the couch, while I slowly succumb to entropy.

The Importance of Staring Out Of The Window

Maybe Einstein did this when he hopped on board his train, the only thing he didn't figure, was why as we get older, the passage of time, accelerates.

My take on that is, at 5 years old one year irepresents 20% of Entire Life's Experiences, a huge chunk which would naturally seem an enormous part of everything and last for ages.

In comparison, at 50 years old, that same percentage requires 10 years to make it up, and one year of it shrinks to a measly 2% of the Entire Life's Experience, proportionally seeming brief and fleeting compared to a decade and also as a proportion of five decades.

That's how I figure it anyhow, as a matter of proportional ratio whatchamacallits.

[Deleted User]

@Carnbot said:

@MonzoPro said:

I've just bought an SE, and quite excited about the higher res and improved camera. Looking forward to taking it out tomorrow.

As some others have said, the iPad is a great music making tool for those of us with little time for proper studio stuff - time and finances wise. And it's a relatively small step to get your music online, networked and heard by your social peers.

Wonderful, small things of joy, in an ever increasingly scary world.

I went for the SE deal too since I was holding out for a new phone. I was a bit worried about the small size at first coming from a larger phone but I'm quite impressed with it. It's about 30% faster than an Air 2 I think. I was playing with Animoog with it last night and it felt really good at that size, really fun.

I'm into photography too, film and digital. So I'm keen to put the camera through it's paces, seems pretty good so far

Yeah - I got a bit freaked out today when viewing photos taken in 'Live' mode (I hadn't heard of this before), but impressed with the quality so far.

I didn't realise until after I bought it that it was faster than the Air 2 - so also looking forward to using it for music stuff.

Very pleased with the deal I had - £379 for a 64gb fast iPhone is nicely affordable.

Carnbot

@MonzoPro said:

@Carnbot said:

@MonzoPro said:

I've just bought an SE, and quite excited about the higher res and improved camera. Looking forward to taking it out tomorrow.

As some others have said, the iPad is a great music making tool for those of us with little time for proper studio stuff - time and finances wise. And it's a relatively small step to get your music online, networked and heard by your social peers.

Wonderful, small things of joy, in an ever increasingly scary world.

I went for the SE deal too since I was holding out for a new phone. I was a bit worried about the small size at first coming from a larger phone but I'm quite impressed with it. It's about 30% faster than an Air 2 I think. I was playing with Animoog with it last night and it felt really good at that size, really fun.

I'm into photography too, film and digital. So I'm keen to put the camera through it's paces, seems pretty good so far

Yeah - I got a bit freaked out today when viewing photos taken in 'Live' mode (I hadn't heard of this before), but impressed with the quality so far.

I didn't realise until after I bought it that it was faster than the Air 2 - so also looking forward to using it for music stuff.

Very pleased with the deal I had - £379 for a 64gb fast iPhone is nicely affordable.

Yeah, i also think it could be one of the best phones for photography. Because the small size combined with the camera power gives it some advantages as it feels much more discreet than the average smartphone these days.

lovadamusic

@realdavidai said:

@lovadamusic said:
Is it true that younger people more often tend not to use simpler mobile-device-based set-ups for making music? That would surprise me. Is that a fact, or is it an assumption based on less participation on forums like this? I'd guess younger people are less likely to use this kind of resource and mode of communication, as it's pretty slow and wordy for their pace. Generalizations, of course. Successful young musicians are busy working and part of an established industry that is still heavily invested in elaborate gear, but I think many are also pretty savvy about what mobile devices are capable of.

In my observation Logic Pro on a Mac is simpler for them. I've observed a number of producers under 30. Just about every plugin they need, every sound they need every feature they need can be accomplished in totally integrated form with a $199 purchase from the Mac App Store. To introduce iOS music production to them is to substantially increase the complexity with no clear reason.

iOS production feels futuristic, it's just not ready for everyone yet.

True, but many musicians of all ages are aware of what iOS can do. I still find it hard to believe that us old folks know more about it than younger people. When I as young, I made it my business to know every technology that was available, even if it was well beyond my means to afford it. Older musicians at the time often tried to ignore new technology or scoffed at it.

Musicians choose tools that are powerful, reliable, and efficient. Simpler is better than complex if quality isn't significantly compromised. Ableton Live (I've never used it) and other DAWs are common as well as Logic and, with the many plug-ins available, there's good reason for the popularity of these powerful systems. There needs to be a substantially good reason to move away from what is working and what we know.

lovadamusic

@Nkersov said:

@realdavidai said:
Agreed that great music can be made on almost any tool. However people just prefer to use subjectively better tools when available. Good music or bad music may result no matter the tool

Way back in time people used the best tools they had access to, this hasnt changed.

This is true, @realdavidai. But what I was trying to get at was the people using the best tools, in my example (the era of skiffle) were the professional musicians in orchestras. All of them trained for years, and considered to be top quality musicians. None of which mattered to those who did not have access to that world, and would never be given the opportunity to join it.

Instead, they made music the only way they could, and from that minimal start and similar starting points such as black kids in the US singing on street corners, rock 'n' roll was born. Within 20 years it'd eclipsed the old styles in terms of creativity and sales. Sure, there were still - and are still - still classical musicians doing their thing, and doing it well. But are they as well know outside their sphere, influential and popular as, for example, Bruce Spingsteen? No.

So my little theory is that IOS, despite its technical limitations, may be the new frontier. What people of all ages, races and backgrounds can do with App Store music making software could, potentially, brush aside what is being done by those with multi million dollar studios. Why, because that world, like the world of classical music before it, is rapidly stagnating.

Classical musicians are a different animal, and they work in a different business. They interpret the classics, and they do it for a typically educated audience that is a minority of the population. Contemporary composers who trace their roots to classical music are not competing for pop music dollars. The age of classical music is still considered by many to be the apex of music art. It didn't stagnate but rather evolved into forms that are not very accessible and don't resonate with the buying public.

iOS is one aspect of the new digital and online technology. Sure it brings more music-making power to those who can afford sophisticated mobile devices, and it may contribute to the next important movement in popular music. Online exposure is something new, but I don't really equate iPads with singing on a corner and homemade instruments.

Carnbot

@supadom said:

it's quite a powerful little thing. Its quite something to run Moog 15 and Korg odyssey through AUM on it with reverbs etc.

mannix

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

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I've heard the name. Will go have a listen. Thanks.

Try Chrome a 70s band that was more Fall than Fall even befor the Fall

JeffChasteen

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

I've heard the name. Will go have a listen. Thanks.

Try Chrome a 70s band that was more Fall than Fall even befor the Fall

I'm a big Chrome fan (and all of Helios Creed's work)

Bluepunk

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

Another brilliant and off it band, "The Moonlandingz" have two of TFWF in their ranks along with The Eccentronic Research Council. My young cousin says to check out the old synths. I know nothing about them (synths, old or new) but you may.

SheffieldBleep

I can vouch for Moonlandingz. Saw them live in Sheffield a few weeks ago. Crackers!

mannix

@Bluepunk said:

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

Another brilliant and off it band, "The Moonlandingz" have two of TFWF in their ranks along with The Eccentronic Research Council. My young cousin says to check out the old synths. I know nothing about them (synths, old or new) but you may.

Thx! unfamiliar with these bands. But interesting. Is this from a new sort of Britpop harvest? Where do I place these bands?

Bluepunk

@mannix said:

@Bluepunk said:

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

Another brilliant and off it band, "The Moonlandingz" have two of TFWF in their ranks along with The Eccentronic Research Council. My young cousin says to check out the old synths. I know nothing about them (synths, old or new) but you may.

Thx! unfamiliar with these bands. But interesting. Is this from a new sort of Britpop harvest? Where do I place these bands?

I'm off to see them early April and this piece explains a bit more about them all. Think they are out there pushing boundaries all on their own at the moment. Also check out Black Honey and Coquin Migale.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/sean-lennon-on-his-new-fictional-band-the-moonlandingz-20150813

mannix

@Bluepunk Thx

JeffChasteen

@Bluepunk said:

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

Another brilliant and off it band, "The Moonlandingz" have two of TFWF in their ranks along with The Eccentronic Research Council. My young cousin says to check out the old synths. I know nothing about them (synths, old or new) but you may.

Great stuff!

kobamoto

http://i.imgur.com/c09KCXq.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZUBP54m.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QUDMIdj.jpg

JeffChasteen

@Bluepunk said:

I'm off to see them early April and this piece explains a bit more about them all. Think they are out there pushing boundaries all on their own at the moment. Also check out Black Honey and Coquin Migale.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/sean-lennon-on-his-new-fictional-band-the-moonlandingz-20150813

Thanks for the article. When I first saw the video, I said to myself, "Man, this great. It's like a low rent Kenneth Anger film!" I'm a big fan of Uncle Kenneth's work. By the way, if anyone is stumped for an Xmas gift for me, I'm very partial to the satin LUCIFER jacket available at his website. It's only $666. Of course.

srcer

@Samu said:
Yeah, most of my 'stuff' is messed around with on the iPad or MacBook Air...
Then again I'm 'dreaming' of a more flexible sampling workstation for iOS.

I mean check this dude out, making 'pot music'

Needless to say I have very high expectations on both BeatHawk and BeatMaker 3 when they hit...

Wow! This is great!

Samu

@srcer said:

Wow! This is great!

He's done many cool things and serves as good source for inspiration (at least for me).

srcer

@Bluepunk said:

@mannix said:

@Nkersov said:

@JeffChasteen said:
Check out The Fat White Family. They are the only young band I know of who are capable of the fuck you brilliance of the Pistols, etc...
I don't think you will be disappointed.

>

Another brilliant and off it band, "The Moonlandingz" have two of TFWF in their ranks along with The Eccentronic Research Council. My young cousin says to check out the old synths. I know nothing about them (synths, old or new) but you may.

Is it just me or is there some eery parallel between TFWF/Moonlandingz and The White Stripes/The Raconteurs?
Anyways thanks for the introduction guys!

Nkersov

@Samu said:
Wow! This is great!

He's done many cool things and serves as good source for inspiration (at least for me).

>

Clever stuff.