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Programming iWavestation
Thought it might be worth a specific thread on programming your own patches (from scratch) in iWavestation.
Yes, the presets are cheesy, and yes, it's not the synth for everyone etc etc. This thread could be more for people who have bought it and want to really get some interesting stuff out of it.
I spent a good couple of hours this evening getting really stuck into the guts of it and it's really quite mind boggling but inspiring.
The penny suddenly dropped when I figured out how to use the 'morph' page that:
A) This thing just got 4 times more powerful than I thought
Surely the morph tab on the morph page, and the ability it gives to draw a morph path between four different wave sequences (which themselves have a huge amount of power) makes this thing able to do the same kinds of tricks Animoog does.
That's really, really exciting to me. Because I love Animoog but it's pretty much impossible to use it inside Gadget.
There are so many wave forms inside iWavestation. And there's so much vector morphing and modulation possibility. So could anyone help me on my path to getting some of those Animoog sounds where you can hear blending between multiple single cycle waves?
I know it doesn't have the Moog filter...but even so...
And has anyone else been having fun programming it??? If so do share some fine detail...
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If I member correctly, easiest would be to set up all 32 oscillators with your wave of choice. One wave each. Set the duration to 400 for full sustainability. Now go wild on the morph pages
Thanks.
32 oscillators? Do you mean 32 slots in the wave sequence? Aren't there just 4 oscillators?
But yes, that's kind of what I've done I think. A looping wave on each of the 4 oscillators and morphing quite fast between them.
So here's my attempt at creating a kind of Animoog style lead patch (what do people think?).
Its driven me to finish off a track I'd been playing around with.
The 'Animoog' style patch starts off on its own, then the rest of the track is mostly other Milpitas patches I've made / found on the web. (With some Bilbao stock drums and some Chiang Mai keys that come in at the end).
Sounds great, more Animoog than iWAVESTATION. I especially like the sitar sounding parch.
I remember there were filtered resonant samples of waveforms built in within the waves (did I say that correctly?) on the original hardware version of the Wavestation.
Nice sounding track Matt. And nice sounding sound.
There are 32 oscillators.
A part can consist of a patch with up to 4 oscillators (quad mode )
A performance is the highest sound structure in the iWS , it can consist of up to 8 parts (8 X 4=32 )
When you set up morph between waveforms you are doing that between oscillators in a single patch in either single, double or quad mode.
oh yeah i would also really like to learn the wavestation, but i think it is a bit confusing, maybe someone has or knows of any good tutorials or walktroughs ?
Just dive in man !
The water's fine .
The manual has been tremendous in helping me learn the ins and outs or this synth for programing it myself.
Agree. You can make some damn fine patches to start with just by taking some of the single layer patches and adding to them. The rest will come in time.
Make good use of the delay parameter for some of the layers, so that you have different sounds coming in at different stages.
I've not read the manual yet, but I can see how creative you can get with this just as a synth before you do Wave sequences and stuff.
In the patch I made for the track (the sitar sounding one) I had the joystick control the delay time.
This is great because it means you can get great sounding tape wobble type effects by wiggling the joy stick in Gadget.
The manuals for the original hardware wavestation are very helpful in understanding structure and programming , although there are obviously differences with the iOS version.
http://www.cyborgstudio.com/synthmp3s/korg/wavestation/manual/wavestationplayersguide.pdf
There is also a seperate User Manual
I wonder how many people went nuts programming the original sounds on the original hardware interfaces?
Also take a quick flick through the Prophet VS manual first to get a good perspective on why the Wavestation thinking is like it is - you could think of the Wavestation as a next-generation Prophet VS, designed by pretty much the same team, once they'd moved from Sequential Circuits via being bought by Yamaha (leaving behind the SY22/33 vector synths there), and having moved on to Korg, to continue their idea. The Prophet VS manual is quite informative regarding what the whole concept is about, without quite so much peripheral paraphernalia that the real Wavestation crams in.
More of generic hint here:
Use a sequencer like B-Step Pro and send a groovy sequence to iWAVESTATION. This makes it so much easier for programming sounds with any Wave sequencing going on. You really can get a way better feel for what you are doing when altering waves.
Ok so this you don't need for your one finger wonder Wave sequences, but for when making sounds that use different waves to put motion into normal playable sounds, it really helps.
Ok I'm sure many of you knew this before I get comments, but for those that don't, it's a hint that really helps programming a complex synth like the iWAVESTATION
^ Very this...
... ^ and this.
Also, there are still plenty of old Wavestation articles out there with helpful info for getting the most out of any Wavestation, including the iOS version. http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/jun02/articles/wavestationtips.asp and http://www.chriscarter.co.uk/content/sos/korg_ws_ad.html are good'ns.
Thanks everyone - this is really helpful and informative.
Particularly thanks @Jes for setting me straight on the 32 oscillators thing. I'm starting to get my head around this - slowly.
So when you say
"If I member correctly, easiest would be to set up all 32 oscillators with your wave of choice. One wave each. Set the duration to 400 for full sustainability. Now go wild on the morph pages"
Do you mean a different wave on each of the 32 oscillators? Morphing continuously between 32 different waves in all sorts of configurations? That certainly sounds pretty rich and pretty Animoogy... Or do you mean the same wave on every osc?
Exploring iWavestation I now see where Animoog comes from genetically.
Animoog seems to me to be a simpler (only 8 waves to morph between) implementation of the same sort of synthesis. All be it with some very smart UI controls like the orbit and path feature on its front page. And a wonderful random button. And high quality delay and filter.
But they are now seeming like similar beasts in many ways. Am I right?
you definitely got it sounding like animoog. and those drums definitely sound like gadget.
I haven't yet tried to create my own patch but am looking forward to it.
I think iWaveStation could really do with someone like Richard Devine making a load of modern sounding presets for it (as happened wth Animoog) so that we're not just hearing the 1990s presets and user created patches from the 90s called things like "The Terminator" and "X-files"
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I'd certainly buy them.
I think that is something Moog has got very right with both Animoog and Model15. Great sounding modern presets so people really 'get' what they are capable of. I don't think Korg has really done that with this iWavestation release - thus all the negative stuff about it sounding cheesy.
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@Matt_Fletcher_2000 You've hit the nail on the head about Korg and the presets they provide. I think about this a lot in terms of iM1.
Technologically, iM1 is far superior to the iM1 and this goes beyond having resonant filters. You had two card slots in the back of the M1. When you bought a new set of presets for $60 or so you got two cards -- the samples and the presets. Aside from the samples that were resident in the M1 itself, you could only use the samples that were in the cards that were plugged into the synth.
So you could buy orchestral samples, but you couldn't combine them with the samples from other cards you've purchased. With iM1 you can combine any of them. And of course you can have them all for a few bucks-- who bought a lot of the cards at $60 a pop?
So nearly all the presets you get with iM1 are based on what was possible to make with an M1. In general they are presets made from the small set of samples that came on the accompanying card when they were first introduced. (The exceptions are the Legacy patches from the computer version).
We don't really know what kind of sounds people can make from these iOS reintroductions of old Korg synths. Particularly if somebody like you approaches them from the perspective of today.
@Matt_Fletcher_2000 @Reid Agree with this entirely.
Now Imagine if Korg released a iOS Sampler with similar synthesis capabilities as the iM1 or iWavestation?
But hey, that would be the 'Sampler App' based on Kronos HD-1 Engine we're patiently waiting for
Yamaha and Korg frequently cooperated in the past, I don't know what the situation is now. If Korg would whisper to Yamaha how to make a gadget, just imagine a Yamaha FS1r gadget (and standalone of course).
I'm sure everyone knows this already but I just discovered that you can preview wave sounds by long pressing. That's a big one for me.
@Jes - this bit is very helpful
The EX5/EX7 would be a killer in that case as all 'Yamaha Synthesis Acronyms' would be well covered
Didn't know that. That's really cool. Thanks.
I was thinking about maybe making a set of presets to share. Once I've figured it all out.
But how does one export just one user bank from iWavestation?