Our new TC Helicon App "VIDIAL" is out. :)

telecharge

I'm surprised more of you aren't familiar with this internet axiom.

https://www.quora.com/Who-originally-suggested-that-if-youre-not-paying-for-the-product-you-are-the-product

LeeB

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TCapps

@DeVlaeminck said:
@TCapps said:

All that being said I can't help but question the irony of people stating disinterest in making an account and interacting with other users in an app, via an app driven forum where you have signed up and made an account for the purpose of interacting with other users

I don't know if this is meant as some kind of joke, but I find it ignorant and offensive, if not downright rude. I'm not going to comment further on this matter.

Yeah, a bit of a joke. But like most jokes I suppose it's based on some truth - all of us talking here have signed up an account to do so, and you can bet this and many other sites you use track data. I don't personally see why pointing that out in a lighthearted way should be offensive - certainly no offence was meant. I work for a company but I'm just a real guy engaging in real convo with you guys. Convo which I value!

@supadom - Valuable input! Thanks I'm definitely not taking it personally. I TOTALLY understand the sentiment, and we may well change this feature of the app. As I said, this is a starting point and where we take it from here will be shaped by both in app feedback and feedback from sources like this forum

Telengard

If I want to share my music, then it should be ME who decides where and when it should be FIRST shared. Plus, I can just send my music to just who I want without it going to the wrong people. (Unless the person I trust just chucks it up on the net. ) I know that once it gets to the Internet, all bets are off and I am fine with that as no one can control that.

TCapps

@Telengard said:
If I want to share my music, then it should be ME who decides where and when it should be FIRST shared. Plus, I can just send my music to just who I want without it going to the wrong people. (Unless the person I trust just chucks it up on the net. ) I know that once it gets to the Internet, all bets are off and I am fine with that as no one can control that.

And it is up to you This app doesn't do any forced auto-sharing of your content. It does index your youtube uploads in an in app playlist, but you are still the one in control of that.

RulesOfBlazon

@LeeB said:
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+1

[Deleted User]

@TCapps said:

The internal social side of the app is relatively simple at this point and simply indexes videos that people are already sharing to youtube within the app as an additional discovery tool.

Yeah, but I don't need you to do that. I can upload videos to my YouTube account without a third-party 'indexing' my work in-between when I'm ready to do so.

"Our goal with VIDIAL is to give you the tools you need for creating great music videos, in both sight and sound, anytime anywhere."

I can't do that if I need an internet connection to use your app so if the goal is to turn "your smart device into a powerful audio/video production studio, letting you capture, trim, add filters and more to produce more creative and visually compelling videos" then let me save my work on my iPad.

I'd pay for that.

@TCapps said:

If you are a person (like as @u0421793 states) flat out isn't interested in other people hearing their music, someone who only makes music for ones self, then indeed, perhaps this app isn't for you - and I think that's ok. All that being said I can't help but question the irony of people stating disinterest in making an account and interacting with other users in an app, via an app driven forum where you have signed up and made an account for the purpose of interacting with other users

Not everyone uses forums for free self-promotion. I'm on here to get help and inspiration, offer advice if I can, and shoot the breeze with the guys. Maybe moan occasionally. I don't have anything to sell or promote. No irony there.

Telengard

@TCapps said:

@Telengard said:
If I want to share my music, then it should be ME who decides where and when it should be FIRST shared. Plus, I can just send my music to just who I want without it going to the wrong people. (Unless the person I trust just chucks it up on the net. ) I know that once it gets to the Internet, all bets are off and I am fine with that as no one can control that.

And it is up to you This app doesn't do any forced auto-sharing of your content. It does index your youtube uploads in an in app playlist, but you are still the one in control of that.

I appreciate the clarity on that, but the main issue for me is having to sign up to use the app. I never use anything that I have to sign up for first until I know I want to be part of it. I will sign up to services if I knew enough about how the product would work for me or have no other choice which is what I am getting at. I use other options that I have used free or have paid for that don't require anything from me unless I choose to use their service. Hope that makes sense. Not bashing your product as I haven't used it.

I really do respect that you are on here fielding the questions! In my opinion, that makes you stand above a lot of other developers who don't seem to want to respond to users at all about difficult questions.

robertreynolds

@TCapps We may not be your core market. We're a finicky bunch that like to mess around under the hood, while expecting a lot from developers. Our average number of music apps probably exceeds casual users 1000% and if we had to log into each one just to enjoy our hobby we'd probably go insane at just the thought. We're also likely an older bunch, don't tweet every damned thought and value our privacy enough to pay for the privilege not to give it up.

Of course I'm totally guessing here. But really, if you want to know more about this particular group's thoughts/behaviors without alienating completely, you might try a different approach.

Free isn't enough for us to care.

kobamoto

@TCapps said:
@MonzoPro For whatever it's worth - I give you my word that we don't sell any of our info to anyone, big or small. Fact is, in this space as a company we ARE one of the "big guys"

The video creation/editing part of the app was created having in mind people who want to create video content for YouTube/FB/Instagram. Musicians who also tend to share and sell their music with the world, so the social element was a natural fit for us. The internal social side of the app is relatively simple at this point and simply indexes videos that people are already sharing to youtube within the app as an additional discovery tool. If you are a person (like as @u0421793 states) flat out isn't interested in other people hearing their music, someone who only makes music for ones self, then indeed, perhaps this app isn't for you - and I think that's ok. All that being said I can't help but question the irony of people stating disinterest in making an account and interacting with other users in an app, via an app driven forum where you have signed up and made an account for the purpose of interacting with other users

choice

kobamoto

quick question, is there anything special about the app besides social network uploading, I'm speaking specifically featurewise ?

Will

I was signing up anyway, but then decided to actually check out the TOS. I hit cancel. Sorry, Matt. I'm quite sure the TOS isn't your doing!

By posting any Content on, through or in connection with the Services, you hereby grant to MUSIC a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully-paid, perpetual, assignable license (with right to sublicense) to use, modify, create derivative works of, delete from, add to, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content on, through or in connection with the Services, including, without limitation, distributing part or all of the Services and any Content included therein, in and/or through any and all media, platforms, and distribution channels now or hereafter known or developed. Without limiting that license grant, you acknowledge and agree that MUSIC may sublicense Content, in whole or in part, to third parties to permit such third parties to display content from the Services. You represent and warrant that: (a) the Content is your original work or you otherwise own the Content or have all rights necessary to grant the rights and licenses set forth in these Terms, and (b) the posting of the Content on, through or in connection with the Services and the granting of the rights in these Terms do not violate the privacy rights, publicity rights, copyrights, contract rights or any other rights of any person or entity. You agree to pay for all royalties, fees, and any other monies owing any person or entity by reason of MUSIC’s exercise of the rights granted in any Content posted by you or anyone else through your Membership account. MUSIC does not guaranty the confidentiality of your Content you submit through the Service.

Not that I'm actually concerned Music Group would use or sub-license my crappy music videos. Just, yuck.

Telengard

By posting any Content on, through or in connection with the Services, you hereby grant to MUSIC a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully-paid, perpetual, assignable license (with right to sublicense) to use, modify, create derivative works of, delete from, add to, publicly perform, publicly display, reproduce, and distribute such Content on, through or in connection with the Services, including, without limitation, distributing part or all of the Services and any Content included therein, in and/or through any and all media, platforms, and distribution channels now or hereafter known or developed. Without limiting that license grant, you acknowledge and agree that MUSIC may sublicense Content, in whole or in part, to third parties to permit such third parties to display content from the Services.

Ouch! Hate those type of agreements.

TCapps

@robertreynolds All great points I'm well aware that this probably isn't the #1 source of core users for an app like this(at least in it's current state). While my level of activity in this forum isn't high, I've been around here for a while and I'm simply sharing for those who do have an interest - if not, it's all good! I'm taking notes here and value ALL the input being provided.

@kobamoto The app gives the ability to easily "master" the audio portion of a video - adding some EQ, compression, reverb and some other effects to give the audio of live recorded video tracks a boost. There is then the video filters which allow you to adjust the look, and in a dynamic way, being able to automate the filter settings in real time.

@Telengard Thanks!

@MonzoPro "Not everyone uses forums for free self-promotion. I'm on here to get help and inspiration, offer advice if I can, and shoot the breeze with the guys. Maybe moan occasionally. I don't have anything to sell or promote. No irony there."
-One of the aspects of the admittedly basic social portion of this app I would personally LOVE to expand on is the discussion tools for users to do all the things you just listed in an environment specifically focused on music video creation. Outside of working with TC I produce a lot of music videos for musicians, so this is a topic near and dear to my heart

@syrupcore I'll def take a look at getting this re-worded. Legal mumbo jumbo is hard not to make sound yucky In a nutshell all it's really meant to cover is giving us the ability to use screen shots, or small clips of videos via our social media.

robertreynolds

@TCapps said:
@syrupcore I'll def take a look at getting this re-worded. Legal mumbo jumbo is hard not to make sound yucky In a nutshell all it's really meant to cover is giving us the ability to use screen shots, or small clips of videos via our social media.

Encourage your legal team to just say that.

This is not just a perception issue. This is a legal agreement where your company is claiming broad rights to do whatever you want with your customer's content. It appears really out of touch, insensitive and not doing your brand any good here.

u0421793

@TCapps you're probably aiming at the same crowd as the Alihoopa target audience, and probably also that mythical doesn't-exist customer that wears trendy clothes, sits around making music outside in badly-colour-corrected weather, and has wind blowing through their beards (the men too) as they do everything on the go while waiting for the bus at a coffee shop on a cliff by the mountainside.

I have a suggestion. Don't stop at filters. A significant 'thing' (yes it's a thing) is the lyric video, and it isn't really easy for a lot of people without FCPX or Motion on their i7 Mac workstations to create something that is modular (verse/chorus etc), synced to music on hit points, and yet just needs typing in. Add a clip generator that can 'wiggle' clip art or faces from the device's photo library, and you'll have something people currently have difficulty with.

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@TCapps said:

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-One of the aspects of the admittedly basic social portion of this app I would personally LOVE to expand on is the discussion tools for users to do all the things you just listed in an environment specifically focused on music video creation.

For a decent user experience it'd be better to have a paid app that doesn't require an online login and internet connection to save their work. You can include an option to join your community, upload vids and be part of an online community via the app.

Everyone's happy, and you get paid. Otherwise your social network will be filled with spammers and complaints.

TCapps

@u0421793 - Lyric vid ability is a great idea. It's definitely on our list of potential feature enhancements. Gathering user feedback will direct us on exactly which features to focus on next. This could well be one of them. Thanks!

TCapps

@MonzoPro Just so I'm clear, when you say 'save their work' you are referring to cloud storage for video content etc - yes?

skiphunt

Honestly, I didn't even see anything within this app I'd pay for. I'm hoping that by having already created an account to try it out, then deleting the app... deleted my account too. Likely not though.

There's one video filter that was ok and I might use. The "take me on" filter. The morph was ok, but really just more of a distortion.

It didn't appear that you could control more than one video effect, during a "live" playback.

Didn't even have enough interest after using to leave it on my device and wait for update/improvements. Deleted within a half hour.

[Deleted User]

@TCapps said:
@MonzoPro Just so I'm clear, when you say 'save their work' you are referring to cloud storage for video content etc - yes?

No, you can't save (upload) work to online storage without an internet connection. Not being able to save my work on my own device is a deal breaker for me - regardless how good the app is.

Igneous1

Well you got some feedback there ! @TCapps

TC make great stuff undoubtedly indeed. I just don't get this app's 'remit' and that TOS is downright troubling !

TCapps

@MonzoPro - gotcha! thx.

supadom

I've always dreamed of video software that would take beat information and with that trigger effects such as brightness, saturation or contrast. Seems like such a simple idea, I wonder why I haven't come across that despite having used quite a few pc and mac packages.

TCapps

@supadom said:
I've always dreamed of video software that would take beat information and with that trigger effects such as brightness, saturation or contrast. Seems like such a simple idea, I wonder why I haven't come across that despite having used quite a few pc and mac packages.

This is actually something we developed early on in VIDIAL(well sort of, our was a little simpler being based more on dynamics and transient spikes as opposed to actual beat detection, but we recently implemented some pretty effective beat detection within one of our other apps, VoiceJam Studio - we may just have to port that over!). We went with the real time automation in place of it in the end - but we may still bring it back. Especially if people like yourself are asking for it.

skiphunt

@supadom said:
I've always dreamed of video software that would take beat information and with that trigger effects such as brightness, saturation or contrast. Seems like such a simple idea, I wonder why I haven't come across that despite having used quite a few pc and mac packages.

Takete kind of does that. It's pricey, but just went on-sale. I'd get it myself, but the output isn't 16:9 or HD. It's only 4:3 and XGA/WXGA. The dev's got a free lite version to try too.

u0421793

I think the biggest things a non-video-producer would find hard with actually making a music video are:

• syncing visual things to sound timing (not necessarily beat cuts, but making it 'connected' to what is heard)
• duplication of content (which if handled badly will result in a huge asset pile, if 'object oriented' / symbol-instance based, won't (so much)). Lots of videos are made from the same clips over and over and over, and the same sequences of those over and over and over.
• animating a thing that isn't actually an animation (like making a collage where the arms move, mouth moves, legs move, etc)
• actually finding stuff to go into the video (you can shoot stuff on the camera, but that's time consuming and after a week you still end up with something a bit one-dimensional). For this, emoji to the rescue.
• typographic effects synced to beat.
• frames, things can go in decorated frames, frame movements can be sequenced

Will

@TCapps is it possible to import from and export to my photo library without my content going to Music Group's servers (thereby bypassing the greedier parts of the TOS)?

Sidebar for those that didn't google it... Music Group is similar to InMusic in that it's a conglomerate of music gear brands:

MIDAS KLARK TEKNIK LAB GRUPPEN LAKE TANNOY TURBOSOUND TC ELECTRONIC TC HELICON BEHRINGER BUGERA EUROCOM

Makes sense that there would be a TOS like that, as unfortunate as it is. Too many lawyers!

kobamoto

ok thanks TCapps

TCapps

@syrupcore - Yes. Any video shot in the app gets initially saved to your camera roll and can be accessed later independently of the app. You can also import via camera roll, dropbox, google drive and icloud. You can export edited/filtered videos to: camera roll, icloud, dropbox, google drive, youtube and soundcloud. In the case of exporting/uploading to YouTube(and only in this option), VIDIAL indexes the youtube video in it's own playlists. At this point, at no time is your content actually uploaded to, or stored on MG servers.

@u0421793 All great suggestions. I am a particular champion of the first one listed. Phones take incredible images these days, the real lacking part is the audio quality capture on the small, on board, built for telephony, electret mic. I'm eager to implement a function where one can import a separate audio source of the recorded performance and have it auto sync with the video by using the on board audio as reference and aligning much like a plug like Vocalign would do. For now, we hope that our built in audio tools can at least make captured by phone audio sound better and I think we've accomplished that. We are also working on some mobile ready hardware integrations for the audio capture side.