Korg Gadget for Mac coming soon

kgmessier

@PhilW said:
Pretty sure the table and equipment is all rendered, and the background is an hdri providing the lighting as well as the background.

Disagree.

They did a nice job Photoshopping out the fishing wire hanging the "KORG Gadget" sign.

Dham

@jrjulius said:

@Dham said:
If existing IOS users aren't their target market then it would not make sense to price it $100 more than a more robust, more mature product like Logic Pro X (the X is for version 10:)

http://www.apple.com/logic-pro/in-depth/

Logic isn't scene-based or (IMO) approachable. It doesn't have Link, either, so it's not as good for jamming with friends. Gadget is clearly designed to be competitive/compatible with Ableton Standard and Reason -- the pricing is roughly similar, and it offers an instrument-focused design like Reason while offering quick composition capabilities like Live.

There are a few reasons why someone might choose Gadget over Logic despite the price. There's a huge amount of complexity in Logic, you have to learn where things are hidden before you can use them. Gadget and Live don't have that problem. And being such a mature solution, Logic has all sorts of legacy bloat -- features that aren't part of the current "vision" but were crucial to the workflow years ago so need to stay available for longtime users. When I was trying to do something, I often found myself doing it "the old way." And while it does have undeniably-excellent instruments, many are starting to show their age. I like that it has many smaller, focused synths (ES-M, ES-E, etc.) but lately Apple is trending towards bigger "do-all" instruments with Retro Synth and Alchemy. Gadget is going to come in with 30+ small, easy to understand instruments, all of which sound awesome, and all of which have a more modern approach to skeuomorphism (not everyone will care but personally I HATE ES-2's interface).

I moved from Ableton to Logic about a year and a half ago and once I figured it out, it made a lot of sense. But when I'm writing a song, I want simple instruments and a scene-based workflow. Korg is pitching Gadget as a beginner's DAW or a second DAW for when you just want to write; in both of those instances, it makes sense and has a great value prop, even compared to more mature options.

I agree, the complexity of Logic can be daunting. It is great to have so many affordable options. IMHO Korg's initial all-or-nothing pricing may cost them some sales. If they offered the instruments individually or in smaller, more affordable bundles it would lead to more sales.

As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

JohnnyGoodyear

@Dham said:

@jrjulius said:

@Dham said:
If existing IOS users aren't their target market then it would not make sense to price it $100 more than a more robust, more mature product like Logic Pro X (the X is for version 10:)

http://www.apple.com/logic-pro/in-depth/

Logic isn't scene-based or (IMO) approachable. It doesn't have Link, either, so it's not as good for jamming with friends. Gadget is clearly designed to be competitive/compatible with Ableton Standard and Reason -- the pricing is roughly similar, and it offers an instrument-focused design like Reason while offering quick composition capabilities like Live.

There are a few reasons why someone might choose Gadget over Logic despite the price. There's a huge amount of complexity in Logic, you have to learn where things are hidden before you can use them. Gadget and Live don't have that problem. And being such a mature solution, Logic has all sorts of legacy bloat -- features that aren't part of the current "vision" but were crucial to the workflow years ago so need to stay available for longtime users. When I was trying to do something, I often found myself doing it "the old way." And while it does have undeniably-excellent instruments, many are starting to show their age. I like that it has many smaller, focused synths (ES-M, ES-E, etc.) but lately Apple is trending towards bigger "do-all" instruments with Retro Synth and Alchemy. Gadget is going to come in with 30+ small, easy to understand instruments, all of which sound awesome, and all of which have a more modern approach to skeuomorphism (not everyone will care but personally I HATE ES-2's interface).

I moved from Ableton to Logic about a year and a half ago and once I figured it out, it made a lot of sense. But when I'm writing a song, I want simple instruments and a scene-based workflow. Korg is pitching Gadget as a beginner's DAW or a second DAW for when you just want to write; in both of those instances, it makes sense and has a great value prop, even compared to more mature options.

I agree, the complexity of Logic can be daunting. It is great to have so many affordable options. IMHO Korg's initial all-or-nothing pricing may cost them some sales. If they offered the instruments individually or in smaller, more affordable bundles it would lead to more sales.

As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

I'd like to fiddle with MainStage but the required investment in a Mac bumps up the entry price somewhat

Dham

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

I'd like to fiddle with MainStage but the required investment in a Mac bumps up the entry price somewhat

Yeah, the new Macbooks are especially pricey. I added memory and an SSD to my 2011 Macbook Pro. It literally turned it into a new machine. The prices for a 1TB SSD drive has dropped quite a bit in the past few years.

[Deleted User]

I like the idea of building kits/patches on desktop Gadget to use in Bilbao/Abudabi on ipad and and export to Ableton

Munibeast

@JohnnyGoodyear said:

@Dham said:

@jrjulius said:

@Dham said:
If existing IOS users aren't their target market then it would not make sense to price it $100 more than a more robust, more mature product like Logic Pro X (the X is for version 10:)

http://www.apple.com/logic-pro/in-depth/

Logic isn't scene-based or (IMO) approachable. It doesn't have Link, either, so it's not as good for jamming with friends. Gadget is clearly designed to be competitive/compatible with Ableton Standard and Reason -- the pricing is roughly similar, and it offers an instrument-focused design like Reason while offering quick composition capabilities like Live.

There are a few reasons why someone might choose Gadget over Logic despite the price. There's a huge amount of complexity in Logic, you have to learn where things are hidden before you can use them. Gadget and Live don't have that problem. And being such a mature solution, Logic has all sorts of legacy bloat -- features that aren't part of the current "vision" but were crucial to the workflow years ago so need to stay available for longtime users. When I was trying to do something, I often found myself doing it "the old way." And while it does have undeniably-excellent instruments, many are starting to show their age. I like that it has many smaller, focused synths (ES-M, ES-E, etc.) but lately Apple is trending towards bigger "do-all" instruments with Retro Synth and Alchemy. Gadget is going to come in with 30+ small, easy to understand instruments, all of which sound awesome, and all of which have a more modern approach to skeuomorphism (not everyone will care but personally I HATE ES-2's interface).

I moved from Ableton to Logic about a year and a half ago and once I figured it out, it made a lot of sense. But when I'm writing a song, I want simple instruments and a scene-based workflow. Korg is pitching Gadget as a beginner's DAW or a second DAW for when you just want to write; in both of those instances, it makes sense and has a great value prop, even compared to more mature options.

I agree, the complexity of Logic can be daunting. It is great to have so many affordable options. IMHO Korg's initial all-or-nothing pricing may cost them some sales. If they offered the instruments individually or in smaller, more affordable bundles it would lead to more sales.

As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

I'd like to fiddle with MainStage but the required investment in a Mac bumps up the entry price somewhat

There's also the option to go hackintosh ;-)

jbuonacc

@Samu said:
The last image seriously makes me wish we will be able to actually re-sample/record gadgets and sample external sounds with the new 'Drum Sampler' Gadget.

Why do you call Recife a "drum sampler"? The description suggests nothing about sampling or even being able to load your own samples into it.

Samu

@jbuonacc said:

@Samu said:
The last image seriously makes me wish we will be able to actually re-sample/record gadgets and sample external sounds with the new 'Drum Sampler' Gadget.

Why do you call Recife a "drum sampler"? The description suggests nothing about sampling or even being able to load your own samples into it.

Why else would they show the waveform just like bilbao if it was not possible to load custom samples?!?

RulesOfBlazon

@Dham said:
As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

How have I never heard of this? Pretty cool...

Philippe

@RulesOfBlazon said:

@Dham said:
As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

How have I never heard of this? Pretty cool...

Wow, can Mainstage plugins be used as VSTs or AU in Ableton Live?! If so, this is a no brainer.

AudioGus

@Samu said:

@jbuonacc said:

@Samu said:
The last image seriously makes me wish we will be able to actually re-sample/record gadgets and sample external sounds with the new 'Drum Sampler' Gadget.

Why do you call Recife a "drum sampler"? The description suggests nothing about sampling or even being able to load your own samples into it.

Why else would they show the waveform just like bilbao if it was not possible to load custom samples?!?

You just got me excited. If this does have chroma pitch (or something). This could be an awesome friend for Elastic Drums.

taroface

It is not going to be a sampler -_-

I'll happily eat my only winter hat if it turns out to be. But 1. they haven't mentioned anything about sampling, 2. there's no "load sample" button on the gadget, 3. why would they offer a (presumably) free Gadget that does everything Bilbao is supposed to. It's wishful thinking. Based on the audio sample, I called it on the footwork/trap angle as a selling point for it though!

AudioGus

@taroface said:
It is not going to be a sampler -_-

I'll happily eat my only winter hat if it turns out to be. But 1. they haven't mentioned anything about sampling, 2. there's no "load sample" button on the gadget, 3. why would they offer a (presumably) free Gadget that does everything Bilbao is supposed to. It's wishful thinking. Based on the audio sample, I called it on the footwork/trap angle as a selling point for it though!

We may be getting a bit into SemanticLand as to what defines a 'sampler'.

Anyway, maybe tapping the waveform is the 'load sample'. I am not saying i will be dissapointed if it doesn't let you load samples as i am not expecting it at all, but Samu-vision is strong and served us well in the past.

[Deleted User]

@Philippe said:

@RulesOfBlazon said:

@Dham said:
As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

How have I never heard of this? Pretty cool...

Wow, can Mainstage plugins be used as VSTs or AU in Ableton Live?!

Nope

Samu

@AudioGus said:

Anyway, maybe tapping the waveform is the 'load sample'. I am not saying i will be dissapointed if it doesn't let you load samples as i am not expecting it at all, but Samu-vision is strong and served us well in the past.

Time will tell what happens.
We do have a killer sampler approaching that has my 'blessing' even if it's still in beta...

RockySmalls

i suppose there is this quote from the newer Korg Gadget page and as Samu points out, the fact that none of the preset drum machines have waveforms visible, plus this whole v3 update is all about 'audio' ...
"Also provided is Recife, a new type of drum machine gadget with high-quality samples and 16 pads. For both audio and preset sounds, it features a high degree of freedom and widens your creative potential."

but... " assume nothing, deny everything." is usually the rule... and feb 28th IS Shrove tuesday ie: PANCAKE DAY , so there is a chance it all could go flat as one.
I'm happy to wait... plenty to be getting on with..

[Deleted User]

@Philippe said:

@RulesOfBlazon said:

@Dham said:
As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

How have I never heard of this? Pretty cool...

Wow, can Mainstage plugins be used as VSTs or AU in Ableton Live?! If so, this is a no brainer.

No but it's ridiculously cheap for what you're getting anyway - almost everything that comes with Logic, except the recording bit.

[Deleted User]

In the meantime the hype goes flat and i spend my "plug-in money" already for some other things

AudioGus

@Samu said:

@AudioGus said:

Anyway, maybe tapping the waveform is the 'load sample'. I am not saying i will be dissapointed if it doesn't let you load samples as i am not expecting it at all, but Samu-vision is strong and served us well in the past.

Time will tell what happens.
We do have a killer sampler approaching that has my 'blessing' even if it's still in beta...

@RockySmalls said:
i suppose there is this quote from the newer Korg Gadget page and as Samu points out, the fact that none of the preset drum machines have waveforms visible, plus this whole v3 update is all about 'audio' ...
"Also provided is Recife, a new type of drum machine gadget with high-quality samples and 16 pads. For both audio and preset sounds, it features a high degree of freedom and widens your creative potential."

but... " assume nothing, deny everything." is usually the rule... and feb 28th IS Shrove tuesday ie: PANCAKE DAY , so there is a chance it all could go flat as one.
I'm happy to wait... plenty to be getting on with..

Well that sounds cool... I think. 'For both audio and preset sounds' hehe marketing speak...

RockySmalls

@AudioGus said:

@Samu said:

@AudioGus said:

Anyway, maybe tapping the waveform is the 'load sample'. I am not saying i will be dissapointed if it doesn't let you load samples as i am not expecting it at all, but Samu-vision is strong and served us well in the past.

Time will tell what happens.
We do have a killer sampler approaching that has my 'blessing' even if it's still in beta...

@RockySmalls said:
i suppose there is this quote from the newer Korg Gadget page and as Samu points out, the fact that none of the preset drum machines have waveforms visible, plus this whole v3 update is all about 'audio' ...
"Also provided is Recife, a new type of drum machine gadget with high-quality samples and 16 pads. For both audio and preset sounds, it features a high degree of freedom and widens your creative potential."

but... " assume nothing, deny everything." is usually the rule... and feb 28th IS Shrove tuesday ie: PANCAKE DAY , so there is a chance it all could go flat as one.
I'm happy to wait... plenty to be getting on with..

Well that sounds cool... I think. 'For both audio and preset sounds' hehe marketing speak...

yeah doesn't it... " a high degree of freedom and widens your creative potential " is also open to interpretation.. kind of a dangerous promise to make as, personally, I would ALWAYS demand my democratic right to sample and abuse audio with abandon...!
it's also kind of at odds with the slightly more prosiac description in the gadget collection list..
But I remain optimistic... there will always be pancakes to soften the blow...

ksound

@Cib said:
In the meantime the hype goes flat and i spend my "plug-in money" already for some other things

"He'll come back...they always come back."

[Deleted User]

@MonzoPro said:

@Philippe said:

@RulesOfBlazon said:

@Dham said:
As far as bang for the buck it is hard to beat MainStage 3 at $29US which includes Alchemy and AutoSampler: http://www.apple.com/mainstage/

How have I never heard of this? Pretty cool...

Wow, can Mainstage plugins be used as VSTs or AU in Ableton Live?! If so, this is a no brainer.

No but it's ridiculously cheap for what you're getting anyway - almost everything that comes with Logic, except the recording bit.

You can do recording with Soundflower i.e. route midi from Live to MainStage and audio via SoundFlower in the opposite direction. Not as easy as using VSTs but it works

MainStage supports Rewire but only as a master host. If only it could work as a rewire slave...

[Deleted User]

@ksound said:

@Cib said:
In the meantime the hype goes flat and i spend my "plug-in money" already for some other things

"He'll come back...they always come back."

If they had released it short after the hype i would own it now. But the true is since i had now "too" much time to think about and bought some other plug-ins (on sale)i was lurking at, i don´t think i´m interested yet anymore.
The more i think about it i would much prefer just adding iWavestation and ArpOdyssei as plug-ins. I don´t need or won´t use the rest much on my mac.
So i will continue to record the stuff from my iPhone to Logic. 199 bucks saved, sorry Korg

ksound

@Cib said:
So i will continue to record the stuff from my iPhone to Logic. 199 bucks saved, sorry Korg

It's OK. We are sorry that we didn't have everything ready by the arbitrary NAMM deadline.
-Korg

ErrkaPetti

@ksound said:

@Cib said:
So i will continue to record the stuff from my iPhone to Logic. 199 bucks saved, sorry Korg

It's OK. We are sorry that we didn't have everything ready by the arbitrary NAMM deadline.
-Korg

@Cib let's face it, it's not when a great iOS app or Mac app is released that matter, it's the quality and usability...
Either you need it or not... I will certainly go for everything new for both my Mac and my both iPads...
Love everything Korg Inc. doing!!

PhilW

Here's a track I did in Gadget while waiting for the new release, I consciously tried to use some gadgets I'd not used before. Came out with a bit of a JMJ feel I think. The "wavy" bit in the first theme was a happy accident of changing the delay time while still recording - I liked it, so it stayed!

FrankieJay

For $199, just go ahead and purchase Logic Pro. There might be a learning curve but there's so many free tutorials to get you started in no time. Logic has an awesome Arsenal of plugin sounds that sound very pro. Samplers, beat machines, synths aplenty. GarageBand on steroids plus more.

Right now, my iPad is like an external plugin for Logic. There's also awesome free plugins. Most of all, the workflow enables you to get stuff done a lot quicker.

If you want third party plugins, there's an abundance of professional grade stuff at reasonable prices for say Slate's Everything Bundle, Nugen Audio subscriptions, Kush subscriptions etc which will all help you to get an analog vibe for your recordings. You want acoustic drums, look no further than BFD3. Big Fucking Drums.

For tweaking your arrangements, there is arrangement track functionality which in a sense makes Logic behave in a non linear way. Vocoders, compressors etc etc. Record any audio stuff, say a guitar solo and at the touch of a button, that solo becomes a sampler instrument for you to play like an instrument. Apple loops ensures your samples can play to any tempo and key. There's more cool stuff.

If you make that investment, you will be richly rewarded. Once I made that choice, my music creation catapulted from tinky winky sounds to pro sounding. I don't work for Apple by the way but I want some of you guys to know that Logic will seriously enhance your music making. Believe the hype. Its audio engine is stunning.

Gadget at $199 stands no chance for me as I'm overloaded with a dangerous armory of cool music making stuff inside Logic. Looking forward to the iOS version though.

gav

@PhilW said:
Here's a track I did in Gadget while waiting for the new release, I consciously tried to use some gadgets I'd not used before. Came out with a bit of a JMJ feel I think. The "wavy" bit in the first theme was a happy accident of changing the delay time while still recording - I liked it, so it stayed!

I enjoyed that. Was good

Joel75

Nice track, @PhilW. Definitely heard a little Jarre in there. It's really possible to create almost any style of music in Gadget.

RJB

@PhilW nice piece of music. I thought of Tangerine Dream at first but then it evolved into its own thing, lovely.