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Balancing it all

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  • @brambos said:

    @Jmcmillan said:
    Then there's the endgame...Not going to make it big, it ends up being just for me and a few family members (and forums where it's shared!). Is it enough? Do I need a big audience?

    Never finishing songs used to stress me out. Until I started seeing the process of making music as a very productive form of entertainment. Rather than sitting on the couch playing games I'd be jamming with musical instruments and having fun, and at least have the feeling I'm developing a bit of a skill while doing something I enjoy. Even if nobody ever listens to it (or if it doesn't get recorded in the first place) it's never a waste of energy or time if it makes you feel better.

    Good post. Completely agree.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Tarekith said:
    You don't have to always have a finished product to justify the time spent having fun making it. Too many people put goals in their sights that don't realistically fit with their lives in other ways. Music can be a really fun hobby or way to relax, it doesn't always have to lead to anything more than that.

    Agreed. I do think/feel that many of us set expectations for creative works in a way we would never dream of for, say, gardening or noodling with a paint by numbers set, playing cards or cooking dinner. Sometimes the cigar is or should be the whole game....

    ...and some people post a picture of every damn salad they eat.

  • @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Tarekith said:
    You don't have to always have a finished product to justify the time spent having fun making it. Too many people put goals in their sights that don't realistically fit with their lives in other ways. Music can be a really fun hobby or way to relax, it doesn't always have to lead to anything more than that.

    Agreed. I do think/feel that many of us set expectations for creative works in a way we would never dream of for, say, gardening or noodling with a paint by numbers set, playing cards or cooking dinner. Sometimes the cigar is or should be the whole game....

    I like the @RulesOfBlazon MAKE AN ALBUM yard stick. Well done for doing that.

    I set my myself a similar goal. But haven't achieved it yet.

    I appear to have posted something like 50 tracks to SoundCloud over the last 3 years or so. Many are just little experiments or work in progress. Quite are few are 'finished tracks' of sorts (when I was completing something like 2 or 3 a month for a while). Not to say they were particularly well produced or mixed or anything. I see them as practice though, really... nothing more than that.

    These days I know how to complete a track that once completed I probably won't like that much and wouldn't want to put on an album.

    I have less time to spend on music right now.

    I guess the idea now is to try to pin down 'my sound' enough to eventually put an album together. Maybe...

  • I don't set aside any particular time to do music, as the portability factor allows for working on my latest smash hit at a moment's notice.

    But I did today just upload a 'finished' version of the cover song mentioned in the 'Cover WIP' thread!

  • Interesting thread. I balance 3 kids under 14 and hectic job in social care. My main music time is in bed at night once better half has passed out. I also beta test, sound design and make some vids now and again. None of it I would bother with if I did not get some enjoyment and respite from craziness of existence from it.
    My main time hole making music is in the details. I get main track structure done pretty quick then spend literally hours working on a 2 second synth sweep or percussion hit in a transition. I think an issue I have is I will rarely give up on a track once I have invested some of that precious music making time we are talking about. That can mean it takes a week or two working on one track. I have become comfortable with my own ridiculous perfectionism over time. If I can churn out a few app demos, music vids for my songs and an album every 18months I'm happy

  • Thank you to all who posted their experiences. It was very encouraging to me to keep plugging away. When I think of giving in and stopping, and don't think I could. It's nice to know I am not alone!

  • i dont have kids but i do have a wife and a demanding german shepherd and a busy marketing career---i'm learning more than creating at this juncture but all i want to do is lock myself up in my office and lose myself in music.

    i lose sleep on the weekends starting about 9 pm on friday and finishing at 6 am when the dog gets up---do my family thing and then late afternoon saturday go till i cant anymore.

    seems i spend as much time figuring out routing and midi stuff than actually getting anything down, but you have to learn to crawl before you can do the worm.

  • edited February 2017

    @LeonLeroy said:
    i dont have kids but i do have a wife and a demanding german shepherd and a busy marketing career---i'm learning more than creating at this juncture but all i want to do is lock myself up in my office and lose myself in music.

    i lose sleep on the weekends starting about 9 pm on friday and finishing at 6 am when the dog gets up---do my family thing and then late afternoon saturday go till i cant anymore.

    seems i spend as much time figuring out routing and midi stuff than actually getting anything down, but you have to learn to crawl before you can do the worm.

    It's Tequila Mockingbird that gets the worm (or so I've heard...)

  • I suppose it's down to goals and expectations. Being a 'hobbyist' musician is great if that's what you want, but if you have goals beyond that, it 's a bit more difficult, I would say.

    I have known people who have eaten themselves up about never releasing 'that album' and slipping into family and work constraints as they get older. It's a tricky area, indeed. Personally, I have a lot of respect for anyone who is a good mother or father.

  • @AudioGus said:
    I am of the no need to finish anything camp these days. I used to 'finish' tracks but now the bar for what is considered 'finished' is so high I would likely never finish one until after I retire, if ever.

    You really brought up an excellent point about the bar being so high these days. My last iOS production/playlists were inspired by 70's Eno and 80's Wax Trax productions. It sounds like demo material by today's standards.

  • edited February 2017

    @JohnnyGoodyear said:

    @Tarekith said:
    You don't have to always have a finished product to justify the time spent having fun making it. Too many people put goals in their sights that don't realistically fit with their lives in other ways. Music can be a really fun hobby or way to relax, it doesn't always have to lead to anything more than that.

    Agreed. I do think/feel that many of us set expectations for creative works in a way we would never dream of for, say, gardening or noodling with a paint by numbers set, playing cards or cooking dinner. Sometimes the cigar is or should be the whole game....

    Admittedly, this is an issue I sometimes struggle with. Balancing my desire to get the most out of myself musically and push myself to maximize my potential, while battling the very real possibility that I'm simply overestimating my potential.

    The older I get, the more obvious it is to me that I made a huge mistake not pursuing a career in music at an early age, Like many, I was steered toward more traditional life choices, and didn't have the necessary self awareness to make better decisions for myself. I always remained active in music, playing lead guitar in cover bands, producing instrumental music on my Tascam Portastudio 4-track, but never made any kind if real effort to be a full-time musician. I always knew that's what I really wanted to be doing, but always thought there was plenty of time to figure out how to make it happen. In the meantime, I'd just bounce between good-not-great jobs, never satisfied.

    Today, I'm a 45 year old stay-home dad, married to a doctor, with two kids. One has significant special needs, requiring assistance with everything. I'm more passionate about music than ever, recently discovering the world of iOS recording and it's unlimited potential. The 45 year old me feels compelled to attempt to make up for missed opportunities and regrettable choices. I'm not ready to give up on the dream of having even the tiniest place in the music industry, and the exploding world of home based music production along with the internet leaves that door open to people of all ages. If I put in the effort, stay focused, and work hard, there's still time for me to make that dream a reality. Producing music is something we can do pretty much until we die, so at 45 I could be embarking on a second career that spans the next 30+ years! That being said, my dreams are firmly planted in reality. I'm not naive. I don't expect to achieve any significant level of success in such a competitive field, especially when I'm unable to commit to it full time. I just feel like I owe it to myself to try, which is something I should've done a long time ago.

    Spending the next 30 years making music will be a joy regardless of any level of "success" achieved. But making a few dollars doing so, or having an album positively reviewed in some article somewhere, or maybe even hearing my music played on the radio in one form or another would, indeed, be a dream come true. In some ways, aspirations like these do induce unnecessary anxiety or stress, but they also serve to motivate and bring out my best. To me, it's worth it. There's absolutely nothing wrong with simply making music as a thoroughly enjoyable hobby. But for better or worse, it's still more than that to me and probably always will be.

  • @Thomas said:

    @AudioGus said:
    I am of the no need to finish anything camp these days. I used to 'finish' tracks but now the bar for what is considered 'finished' is so high I would likely never finish one until after I retire, if ever.

    You really brought up an excellent point about the bar being so high these days. My last iOS production/playlists were inspired by 70's Eno and 80's Wax Trax productions. It sounds like demo material by today's standards.

    Mm, i hear yah. I tend to not go too far beyond Bush of Ghosts and early FLA/Delerium in terms of production. Everything now with electronicy experimental is just so bloody over compressed too, (yadda yadda, same old argument). It really does seem to be the tail wagging the dog now with sounds chosen and stuck to because of their production oompf power. It is like everything is just trying to yell over everything else now. I loved the more subtle, sit and listen and peel back layers moments of albums from the 80s/90s where you would sort of decode the mix and eventually hear the squirrels humping in the background etc. Things now are just 'SONIC EXPLOSION UP IN YO FACE!' 'But you are an ambient track...' 'I SAID SONIC EXPLOSION UP IN YO FACE BEEEYATCH!!!'

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