What iOS App is closest to the Doepfer Dark Time Sequencer?

kobamoto

@midiSequencer said:
@kobamoto - noteTime - no reason - lots of tempo divisions to play with, but I will be adding it - off to do that now!
nothing new on the midiFx just yet - but all sequences can have their own midi fx (or share a global one) - so you can have 6 different sets of midi fx & midi cc controllers. Tell me what fx is missing and I'll add it - I mostly use echo myself as it does, as you say 'break down the tempo'

For scales I am going to allow a better setup - so all twelve chromatic notes mapped to bb, b,natural, sharp, x - so all possible scales are possible. Presets too to make it easier to pick exotic ones.

Chords are the same, but you can audition them now. With the copy/paste steps (or a whole sequence) function it's easier to copy chords to other steps(e.g. setup step 1, copy, select all other steps, paste and voila!).

wonderful!!!

Fx wise I'm thinking anything that breaks rules, shifting /offsetting fx, fluctuation, instaneous spacing etc....and even modules that take the power already there in the sequencer but make it as easy to use as say the korg ikaossilator (only referring to that ease of use vibe it has) for the modules....
come to think of it some x/y pads for the fx could be magical.

kobamoto

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

I know soon as I read follow actions I said 'day one' !!!!

kobamoto

@midiSequencer
what about the knobs are they easier to adjust?

Will

@kobamoto said:

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

I know soon as I read follow actions I said 'day one' !!!!

Yeah. I haven't even seen those yet. The button is in the beta but it says 'soon' when you tap it.

midiSequencer

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

Well that's the initial design - just using notes of one (or more )sequences to transpose others. This will eventually be more parameters than notes (velocity, gate%, humanise etc) that will be exposed and routable to modulate another. I'm thinking modular here. But for now it's just note transposes, so if you run this transpose sequence at 1/64 tempo division and use it as an input to another 64 step sequence running at 1/1 tempo division (=song tempo), then seq 1 just plays seq 2 in a different key. So you could use non-divisible numbers to get varied note pitches from a small sequence).

midiSequencer

@kobamoto said:
wonderful!!!

Fx wise I'm thinking anything that breaks rules, shifting /offsetting fx, fluctuation, instaneous spacing etc....and even modules that take the power already there in the sequencer but make it as easy to use as say the korg ikaossilator (only referring to that ease of use vibe it has) for the modules....
come to think of it some x/y pads for the fx could be magical.

Sort of does that now in midiSequencer. You can:
echo - to create repeated notes over time spans.
ostinato - to add another fixed interval note (e.g. bass note 2 octaves below - although even 0 interval has a wonderful effect on some synths!)
Compress/Limit - to reduce &/or clip velocity
Limiter - to reduce note, velocity or midi channel ranges and even randomise or keep scale
Remap notes, velocities or midii channels (up to 4 transforms each with a range that remaps to a new value)
Transpose notes, velocities or midi channels (up to 4 transforms with the adjustment to make) - can also keep scale for notes
Velocity switch - like the keyboard velocity switching, will change the midi channel of a range of velocities to one of 4 channels.
Filter - removes steps that have a note, velocity or midi channel quickly. You specify range
Probability - % chance of not playing the step (i.e. mute it)
and
Rotator - play a different note in a chord each time (up to 4 variations - with your choice of velocity or 2nd note)

So x/y pads - not yet, but I do have 8 realtime midi cc controls (7 or 14 bit) that you can use whilst the sequencer is playing. I'm sure x/y will be there soon - I've started LFO's too - that run independent or tempo/sync'd midi CC's. These will eventually be used as input modulators for sequences (like the note transpose). This will not be with first version though, but definitely coming!

anickt

@midiSequencer

This sounds great! Looking forward to it. Thanks!

midiSequencer

@syrupcore said:

@kobamoto said:

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

I know soon as I read follow actions I said 'day one' !!!!

Yeah. I haven't even seen those yet. The button is in the beta but it says 'soon' when you tap it.

it will be in the launch version, just a few other things to do first. This will allow you to 'program' some triggers at the end of a loop - so you could transpose, change key, mute, start playing another (or the next) sequence - that sort of thing.

midiSequencer

Re Follow Actions...
it will be in the launch version, just a few other things to do first. This will allow you to 'program' some triggers at the end of a loop - so you could transpose, change key, mute, start playing another (or the next) sequence - that sort of thing.

kobamoto

I love the randomizers too, can you specify what you want to randomize and omit the rest in Quantum?

Will

@kobamoto said:
I love the randomizers too, can you specify what you want to randomize and omit the rest in Quantum?

I think it only randomizes whatever the sliders are currently representing, no? So if you're on GATE and hit random, only gate values are randomized.

kobamoto

got it, errr how about those knobs

yowza

@kobamoto said:
got it, errr how about those knobs

There aren't any knobs on the main sequencers only on the Skip, Chord and FX pages (I think). They are typical iOS knobs ie a little touchy but I have gotten better at touching a knob and dragging it sideways to get where I want. The silders can be a little touchy too but I tend to use the inc/dec buttons at the top and bottom of each step's fader for finer adjustments.

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

One other thing that works along with this is the x2, x3 ,x4 options on the Skip window which plays the step x number of times. If you select x2 for one step of a sequence that is transposing other seqs it will play through that step (sequence really) twice then move to the next step. I hope that makes sense!

skiphunt

@midiSequencer said:
@skiphunt
Replace & extend it - think of it as at least 6 midiSequencers but each one can be split into 4 parts. Only noteTime not carried over (but that could change).
However, if you don't understand midiSequencer this will not make sense, so midiSequencer still has a place - I'm not aiming this new app at the casual user, but someone who doesn't play keyboards and wants interactive complex pattern generation - the essence of hardware step sequencers(if you add all the modules and buy multiple racks).

I'm not a keyboard player, and am still very much a novice casual user. Though I'm very much interested and intrigued by the complexity of pattern generation with interactivity.

One niggle I had with midiSequencer (lite version) is that I found the interface knobs and such very small and excessively annoying to work with. Your screen grab of Quantum looks like you basically repurposed the midiSequencer graphic and style. Has anything been changed to make the interface easier to use in terms of knob/button sizes etc.?

And, do you have an ETA as to when Quantum might launch?

Will

@yowza said:

@kobamoto said:
got it, errr how about those knobs

There aren't any knobs on the main sequencers only on the Skip, Chord and FX pages (I think). They are typical iOS knobs ie a little touchy but I have gotten better at touching a knob and dragging it sideways to get where I want. The silders can be a little touchy too but I tend to use the inc/dec buttons at the top and bottom of each step's fader for finer adjustments.

Yes, good reminder. Sideways is the key in mS. I always forget that.

Quantum has a nice touch based range slider for the sliders. It's the green bar on the top right in the screenshot. You drag the top or bottom to set the range. Makes it a lot more comfortable to adjust step sliders by hand. mS already has the range feature but there's something about it being right there. I love that a single UI element serves as both "current range" indication as well as a "set range" control.

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

One other thing that works along with this is the x2, x3 ,x4 options on the Skip window which plays the step x number of times. If you select x2 for one step of a sequence that is transposing other seqs it will play through that step (sequence really) twice then move to the next step. I hope that makes sense!

Yes, very much so. This is the way to actually transform it into a song mode. 'Play 2 bars of this (one step with x2), 4 bars of this (one step with x4)...' You can have 64 'steps' in the triggering sequence but with step repeats, that doesn't mean you max out at 64 bars.

brice

Pardon my sequencer ignorance, but I'm curious of the difference(s) between midiSequencer and this one...

Rubycon by Roger Mann
https://appsto.re/us/tuBaY.i

kobamoto

@yowza said:

@kobamoto said:
got it, errr how about those knobs

There aren't any knobs on the main sequencers only on the Skip, Chord and FX pages (I think). They are typical iOS knobs ie a little touchy but I have gotten better at touching a knob and dragging it sideways to get where I want. The silders can be a little touchy too but I tend to use the inc/dec buttons at the top and bottom of each step's fader for finer adjustments.

@syrupcore said:

Sequences can be designated transpose - so can be summed to drive another sequence.

Is an incredible feature. To be clear, any sequencer can be designated as a 'transpose source' and one-or-more other sequencer(s) can be told to listen to that sequence to transpose its steps. Set the transpose source sequence to a slower clock division and it can make other sequences change over time (basically song mode).

One other thing that works along with this is the x2, x3 ,x4 options on the Skip window which plays the step x number of times. If you select x2 for one step of a sequence that is transposing other seqs it will play through that step (sequence really) twice then move to the next step. I hope that makes sense!

thanks for the info, regarding the knobs, I don't find this experience typical at all, even with a stylus as syrupcore said, it's maddening...... everything else is blissful though

Will

@brice said:
Pardon my sequencer ignorance, but I'm curious of the difference(s) between midiSequencer and this one...

Rubycon by Roger Mann
https://appsto.re/us/tuBaY.i

Same basic idea. midiSequencer comes with a considerably broader feature set (and 8 more steps) but Rubycon (and some other similar apps) come with simplicity/immediacy.

@midiSequencer Now that you have the shorter sequencer UI built, might be a cool one-day feature of mS to allow a user to press both note and, say, velocity and have the step view split into two different rows.

anickt

Rubicon hasn't been updated in 1.5 years. Something to consider.

Will

@anickt said:
Rubicon hasn't been updated in 1.5 years. Something to consider.

I haven't used it in a bit but it worked fine fairly recently. If the question is 'which' to get, I guess only the buyer can answer that but for me mS is the easy step sequencer winner. And quantum is a total step beyond. A quantum leap even. I like Rubycon though. It's solid, very simple and sometimes that's what the skies ask for.

kobamoto

whats up with Koushion being gone from the App Store, I thought it was a current app?

Will

@kobamoto said:
whats up with Koushion being gone from the App Store, I thought it was a current app?

Koushion MIDI Step Sequencer by Ian Wagner
https://appsto.re/us/PHktz.i

Carnbot

Yep looking forward to Quantum, Koushion is still there, I looked at it but never pulled the trigger on that one.

MonkeyDrummer

A cool feature of midiSTEPS is Art added a feature that I requested (no idea if he did it just for me... but I'll assume he did.) is that you can set a sequence to advance a step when it gets a specified midi note. This allows some crazy sequence chaining...

Artefact2001

@midiSequencer just wondering whether you're planning to update the UI on the apps? I'm very interested in the functionality but the Windows PC aesthetic turns me off. Flatness and Apple's generic font (San Francisco) would massively help in my opinion. No offence intended, just think it could appeal to a wider audience with a slight face-lift

brice

@Artefact2001 said:
@midiSequencer just wondering whether you're planning to update the UI on the apps? I'm very interested in the functionality but the Windows PC aesthetic turns me off. Flatness and Apple's generic font (San Francisco) would massively help in my opinion. No offence intended, just think it could appeal to a wider audience with a slight face-lift

My thoughts exactly. +1 for a visual revamp.

brice

@syrupcore said:

@brice said:
Pardon my sequencer ignorance, but I'm curious of the difference(s) between midiSequencer and this one...

Rubycon by Roger Mann
https://appsto.re/us/tuBaY.i

Same basic idea. midiSequencer comes with a considerably broader feature set (and 8 more steps) but Rubycon (and some other similar apps) come with simplicity/immediacy.

@midiSequencer Now that you have the shorter sequencer UI built, might be a cool one-day feature of mS to allow a user to press both note and, say, velocity and have the step view split into two different rows.

Thanks for the info @syrupcore !

kobamoto

@syrupcore said:

@kobamoto said:
whats up with Koushion being gone from the App Store, I thought it was a current app?

Koushion MIDI Step Sequencer by Ian Wagner
https://appsto.re/us/PHktz.i

thanks, my puter must be getting tired of me researching sequencers

have you tried it?

Will

Never bit on Koushion.

midiSequencer

@ Artefact2001 & @brice - yes there will be a more modern flat style of UI (similar to AUM or AUXY say) just not day one. You will have it as an option in settings.

Now the layout has settled down I can start to translate it - wasn't much point when I was rearranging everything as I'd have to redo it all again. Great thing is the flat style is much easier to do.