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Reflections about a MIDI workflow

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    @tja said:
    To summarize, I seek the following:

    An AudioBus / AUM setup, that can

    1) Use an Instrument or Sequencer to
    2) send their MIDI both to an MIDI Recoder and an Synth, so that
    3) the Synth be heard while playing, and
    4) MIDI can be recorded in the Recorder, and
    5) optionally MIDI can also be written to AudioShare and finally
    6) Audio from the Synth which get´s MIDI from the Recoder be saved to AudioShare (this could be a separate setup)

    Possible?

    AudioShare can only record audio. You can store MIDI or other files in AudioShare via open in.

    With either Audiobus 3 or AUM you can send MIDI to both a synth and to Cubasis to record its audio and the MIDI to separate tracks. You can send MIDI directly to a Cubasis audio and MIDI track without needing to use either Audiobus or AUM by hosting the synth in Cubasis. In any of these scenarios you'll be able to monitor the sound. Why do you want to include Audiobus or AUM in such a setup?

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    @tja said:
    @InfoCheck For those reasons:

    Easy MIDI and Audio routing, saving setups and configurations / state saving, easy App switching and together with AUM, mixing and effects / filters and together with AudioShare, saving of Audio for further usage.

    And calling everything back with loading a configuration file.
    Great ;-)

    At least, this would be my idea....
    Also, there are Synths like Gadget, that cannot be loaded within Cubasis.

    Thanks for the information of AudioShare not being able to save incoming MIDI.

    To capitalize on the strengths of each app:

    1. Startup Audiobus 3 first from a fresh power up of your iOS device.
    2. Depending upon your iOS device, the apps you're using, and the latency you want, set the latency in Audiobus 3.
    3. Setup MIDI routing in Audiobus 3 and send MIDI out to AUM and Cubasis MIDI track(s)
    4. Route MIDI within AUM as needed. You can control exposed AU MIDI parameters in AUM but not Audiobus 3.
    5. Do mixing and busing with audio routed from Audiobus 3.
    6. Route audio from AUM to Cubasis audio tracks(s)
    7. Use only AU apps or IAA apps with Audiobus 3 state saving.
    8. Use only AU apps or AUM file player and effects in AUM.
    9. If you hear crackles or pops with the audio, try using fewer apps or increasing the latency in the session.
    10. Save setup as preset in Audiobus 3 and project in Cubasis.

    When you want to work on the project again, startup Audiobus 3 and load the preset. If you want to use the MIDI tracks you recorded in Cubasis to control the apps rather than the MIDI from the Audiobus 3 setup, reroute your MIDI setup accordingly and save this as another Audiobus preset.

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  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @tja said:
    Gadget can be added as IAA in AUM!

    Why exactly did you recommend to run IAA mostly in Cubasis, but not AUM?

    I presume that this was because of state saving, which does Gadget not do anyway, so could be started in AUM.

    I have always said modstep+Aum was the best combo. I regularly use gadget as an IAA even when I have other synths being used in Aum. All driven by modsteps midi. I mostly use gadget either as a single instrument or a layered instrument with all layers accepting midi on the same port.

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  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000
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    @tja said:

    @gonekrazy3000 said:
    I have always said modstep+Aum was the best combo. I regularly use gadget as an IAA even when I have other synths being used in Aum. All driven by modsteps midi. I mostly use gadget either as a single instrument or a layered instrument with all layers accepting midi on the same port.

    Yes, i use modstep and other sequencers and instruments.
    Cubasis is only used to record the MIDI ( i did not test Genomore or Infinite Looper for this, so far.

    The problem that i have with my current setup is, that i now need to point my Gadget track(s) to SoundPrism Pro - which means that i would need to change this, whenever i exchange my instrument or use a Sequencer like modstep instead.

    It seems, i was not very clear in what i realy want to try.

    I want to use different instruments and sequencers and always record the MIDI.
    But of course i want to easily be able to exchange instruments and sequencers, without having to reconfigure all other Apps.

    So something like this:

    "some" instrument or sequencer -> MIDI "Hub" + MIDI Recorder

    Then add any Synth and be able to exchange the instrument or sequencer without needing to reconfigure the Synth - just because 5 minutes later, i may exhange the Synth by another one.

    What i write is not very clear, i fear.

    Maybe i can draw something :D

    And maybe, this is just not possible.

    Currently, i just cannot get what is possible in AUM - will re-read the documention too.

    In my case the hub for midi is modstep. And the hub for all my synths is Aum. Even gadget is driven purely by modstep. Sequencer apps like zmors modular, midisteps, fugue machine, steppolyarp etc send midi to Modstep for recording before they get sent to the synth in Aum. So I'm actually doing something quite similar to what you request. Regarding swapping synths in AUM. You can have multiple Aum layers listening to the same midi port. So instead of replacing an IAA or Au just make a new layer listening to the same midi port. Mute/unmute to test different synths.

    Thanks to mf adapter and the new Audiobus 3 support you can send midi even between layers in modstep. So can do connections like modstep chords=>step poly arp=>modstep(for recording arp midi)=>Aum layer 1&2.

    Using ableton link all the midi is perfectly recorded on time.

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  • gonekrazy3000gonekrazy3000

    @tja said:
    First test worked fine:

    I exchanged SP Pro by SP Electro and both Gadget and Cubasis work!

    Cubasis changed MIDI In to SP Electro by virtue of AudioBus.

    And Gadget just continues to work without any change!

    Great ...

    So, i can now just play around and when i get something i like, i can add Cubasis recording MIDI to save this for further work.

    I will continue on this :-)

    Thanks, both to you!

    Glad you found something that works for you :)

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