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Is ROLAND about to enter ios music app world?
In a serious way.
With the news legal actions or at least posturing leading to the removal of ReBirth, it makes me think Roland is cleaning the decks before entering the ios music game in a serious way.
If they weren't and they were simply being bitches with Propellerhead, then probably gonna skip Roland for any future purchases.
That is irrelevant really.
So, if they were going to enter the app music thing, what unique or interesting things does Roland bring?
For instance, MOOG, KORG, and ARTURIA have parlayed nicely the original business model into the ios game. Feeding and drawing from their hardware and previous software adventures fruitfully and creatively.
To be honest, a real deal 808 and 909 and 303 or samplers would welcome apps for me if done correctly or having unique patch potential with hardware making new hybrid analog/digital/ios ready platforms and devices. I am all for new gear that works with the ole iPads.
I loved Rebirth. But perhaps I loved Rebirth for what it represented and not what I used it for.
What say you?
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experience.roland.com/tfr2017a/
I think Poison 202 already emulates some 'new' Roland synths
Space echo
I really love to play some of their SuperNatural acoustic stuff. Would love to have something similar on iOS ( Integra-7 app !!
).
I really don't need another version of 808 / 909 / 303s etc. But that's just me.
I wonder if they'll compete with Model 15 by releasing a full System 700 app?
I'd love it if Roland started making more iOS apps! I have some of their Aira stuff (I love the System1 & MX1!), & the only thing I miss is being able to integrate them with my iPhone/iPads (linking midi with iOS, quickly backing up presets, etc). Yamaha have a great app for their Reface series, Eventide has the best app ever for their H9, & of course Korg has made some nice apps for sync & Bluetooth connection
I'd also be very interested in any new synth/effect apps Roland may release
AUv3 enabled iOS SoundCanvas and some AUv3 'ports' of the Boutique boxes and 'Plug-Outs' would be nice as 'Technology Demonstration'. I'd be happy to pay for them...
20th is supposed to be the day for 'Synth News'.
A D-50 app, as well as a JD-800 app that are both on par with the quality Korg established with iM1 would be magic. Also....Space Echo, Chorus Echo, Jupiter-8, Juno-106 / 60, 808, 707, 909, System700, SH-5, SH-101, PROMARS....I mean the list is endless here. Seriously Roland....join this club already!
Totally agree here and it should be 'full' emulation not just 'multi-sampled factory presets' like the one on Roland Cloud
Both Korg and Yamaha have pretty good apps out for iOS. I can partially forgive Yamaha for FM Essentials as It's 'free' to unlock with a trip to local music store but it's still 'buggy'. All AUv3 instances share the same preset
Roland Cloud makes me sad. And yes, totally and completely a full emulation would be the dream. I sold my D-50 many years ago and I regret it everyday. And as far as Yamaha goes, a full and proper AN1x emulation would also be dream-worthy. I don't have FM Essentials, but I do occasionally open up Synth Book to play around with AN 2015. Even though it's pretty limited it's a fun app to explore "that" sound.
I asked about that on the Cubasis forum and the response from Yamaha to Lars suggested that the sharing of presets by each instance is by design
That's pretty strange since the initial version of the app had no problems using separate presets per instance.
The 'multi-instance bug' was introduced in the latest update...
I still have my Juno-106 but would still love to have a multi-instance AUv3 ACB/Plug-Out version of it on my iPad
Well, I still have the Yamaha SW1000XG with the PLG-150AN board but no working computer to use it with...
Time will tell what both companies decide to do.
Yep I thought that was strange too
D-50 would be great, as would a virtual Integra-7, not holding my breath though, I think the OP's likelihood of "entering the ios music game in a serious way" or "simply being bitches" is probably weighted towards the latter. I live in hope to be proved wrong though!
If, like me, you had not heard what this thread assumes everyone is supposed to know, I googled and found this. Just makes Roland seem more desperate and struggling for relevance.
http://www.factmag.com/2017/06/13/propellerhead-rebirth-ipad-discontinued-roland-ip-infringement/
If they did a legitimately good Jupiter or classic Juno I wouldn't complain, since there's surprisingly no real clones on iOS.
Truthfully though, Roland's just dickin away in the past. In theory, I'd be happy to deal with it since I'm sick of everything modern being geared to EDM, but those 'boutique' versions of their 80s synths are not up to snuff.
Did you say Synth Book? Take it from Jakob Haq (and me), "it's incredible!"
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think that Roland will be adding more synths to the iPad store. If anything, I fear they will take the Sound Canvas off the store.
Their strategy is to not make ANY of their synths or drum machines available as VSTs or AUs for the computer. They want them ONLY available for people who pay $30 a month for Roland cloud. (If you start now, it is only $20 a month)
My concern is that ReBirth might mark the beginning of them trying to get all the other clones VSTs, AUs and apps taken down.
Note that you don't see Korg synths included in collections of classic synths put out by UVI, Arturia, or soon, IK Multimedia. Always Roland, Moog, Oberheim, Sequential Instruments, Fairlight, etc, but not Korg. I'm guessing that Korg has always protected their intellectual property because they were monetizing their instruments in the VST and app space. And Roland has just sat back and let others make hundreds of thousands or millions out of their work.
They now seem to be moving from a financial strategy of giving away all their work to a new strategy of making sure that nobody will buy it from them. They missed the boat years ago on selling their classic synths. Now everybody in the world who wants them already has decent versions, particularly if they bought from Arturia.
And now they are offering $360 a year forever to get your hands on official decades-old Roland synths? It's not that huge a market. It's 2017 and most people want Omnisphere and Zebra and Sylenth and Massive. No thank you. That price makes Gadget for the Mac and Korg Legacy look like the good deals that they are.
It's not just about Korg having a more sensible financial plan. More music will be made in the future from Korg than Roland.
Roland has nice new additions like aira line and crap mentality for business.
The R-mix tab app was a great idea but as usual wrong developed.
I don't expect nothing good from them and their cloud proposal is out of vision as usual (IMHO). Maybe I'm wrong but maybe Reason come to iOS and make Roland more irrelevant that already are
Right?
Pathetic in fact.
Sorry I didn't provide link with background.
It's not like Roland is the only company making musical instruments. Sure they have some 'iconic' instruments out there so what about skipping using or replicating them for a while and change the sonic landscape for good?
Slightly off topic but is Roland 'scared' of customer interaction?
Cant even find an e-mail address to them unless signing up for a Roland account?!(Which I won't do).
Scared not, isolated in their cloud
Isolation tends to be a characteristic of many Japanese companies unfortunately. It has a lot to do with culture and language. Social media is pretty much incompatible with the traditional values of Japanese business. I think it's proving to be quite a handicap for them compared to 'western' companies.
The most credible hypothesis I've heard regarding the Rebirth situation is that Roland are engaging in unrelated litigation regarding intellectual properties (Behringer?) and need to prove that they actively enforce their ownership over IP across the board. This would in fact make the Propellerhead situation just collateral damage...
I do wonder if Roland will 'target' others such as these guys...
http://www.audiorealism.se/audiorealism-bass-line-3.html
I just recently picked up a 106. Found it on Craigslist of all places. The seller referred to it as a "Piano"...which should tell you everything about how cheap I was able to purchase it for. Needed a couple new voice chips and it's as good as gold. A stellar D-50 is next on the hunt list. What other hardware syths you got over there?
Alledgedly it's a trade-dress infringement of the Deepmind on the Juno/Jupiter design. Not sure how strong a case that would be, but I'm somewhat rooting for Roland on this one
// rant start
So we got ourselves a Roland bashing thread. Nice move - who doesn't hate Roland?
To be frank, props have not exact done a much development of ReBirth, or any of their other IOS apps for that matter, for which they have had a fair share of bashing aound here. Convinient to shift the focus to big, evil Roland Corp away from their diminishing (or rather non existing) interest for IOS. I know I'm ignoring all their Allihopa related crap which is of absolutely no interest to me.
// end of rant
Would like to point out, that ReBirth was my first IOS app purchase and I also own and love Reason 9. And nothing would make me happier than props getting involvement in (serious) IOS music production in the future. Same goes for Roland by the way...
Well whatever props is doing, they are starting beta tests for mobile concepts in mid august according to their automatic email they sent to people who took the surveys