Is ROLAND about to enter ios music app world?

brambos

@5pinlink said:
@brambos the problem there is the fact that the Juno/Jupiter was not that unique a design and they haven't even gone after the Juno/Jupiter emulations, just the 303/808/909 of Rebirth

Yeah, just relaying what I heard elsewhere. I don't necessarily believe they have a strong case. It could even be as much as a warning signal to Behringer... who appear to be going on another clone-a-thon of every popular hw synth out there (Moog really should have a problem with that Minimoog clone Behringer were showing). They already hinted at making an analog drum machine next so chances are it will have some Rolandish features.

JohnnyGoodyear

@Reid said:
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think that Roland will be adding more synths to the iPad store. If anything, I fear they will take the Sound Canvas off the store.

Their strategy is to not make ANY of their synths or drum machines available as VSTs or AUs for the computer. They want them ONLY available for people who pay $30 a month for Roland cloud. (If you start now, it is only $20 a month)

My concern is that ReBirth might mark the beginning of them trying to get all the other clones VSTs, AUs and apps taken down.

Note that you don't see Korg synths included in collections of classic synths put out by UVI, Arturia, or soon, IK Multimedia. Always Roland, Moog, Oberheim, Sequential Instruments, Fairlight, etc, but not Korg. I'm guessing that Korg has always protected their intellectual property because they were monetizing their instruments in the VST and app space. And Roland has just sat back and let others make hundreds of thousands or millions out of their work.

They now seem to be moving from a financial strategy of giving away all their work to a new strategy of making sure that nobody will buy it from them. They missed the boat years ago on selling their classic synths. Now everybody in the world who wants them already has decent versions, particularly if they bought from Arturia.

And now they are offering $360 a year forever to get your hands on official decades-old Roland synths? It's not that huge a market. It's 2017 and most people want Omnisphere and Zebra and Sylenth and Massive. No thank you. That price makes Gadget for the Mac and Korg Legacy look like the good deals that they are.

It's not just about Korg having a more sensible financial plan. More music will be made in the future from Korg than Roland.

Interesting thoughts/conclusion.

brambos

True story. But it would be one explanation for Roland's warning shots.

mannix

@Reid said:
I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think that Roland will be adding more synths to the iPad store. If anything, I fear they will take the Sound Canvas off the store.

Their strategy is to not make ANY of their synths or drum machines available as VSTs or AUs for the computer. They want them ONLY available for people who pay $30 a month for Roland cloud. (If you start now, it is only $20 a month)

My concern is that ReBirth might mark the beginning of them trying to get all the other clones VSTs, AUs and apps taken down.

Note that you don't see Korg synths included in collections of classic synths put out by UVI, Arturia, or soon, IK Multimedia. Always Roland, Moog, Oberheim, Sequential Instruments, Fairlight, etc, but not Korg. I'm guessing that Korg has always protected their intellectual property because they were monetizing their instruments in the VST and app space. And Roland has just sat back and let others make hundreds of thousands or millions out of their work.

They now seem to be moving from a financial strategy of giving away all their work to a new strategy of making sure that nobody will buy it from them. They missed the boat years ago on selling their classic synths. Now everybody in the world who wants them already has decent versions, particularly if they bought from Arturia.

And now they are offering $360 a year forever to get your hands on official decades-old Roland synths? It's not that huge a market. It's 2017 and most people want Omnisphere and Zebra and Sylenth and Massive. No thank you. That price makes Gadget for the Mac and Korg Legacy look like the good deals that they are.

It's not just about Korg having a more sensible financial plan. More music will be made in the future from Korg than Roland.

Your comment is 100% spot on. Thanks!

ErrkaPetti

@5pinlink said:
I wouldn't be surprised if this investor that is buying propellerheads is something to do with Roland, they got burned by Sonar being such out of date code, but Reason is already cross platform.

I don't think that investment company that have bought shares into Propellerheads, is meant as an bought of the company...
I'm pretty sure that Ernst Böös-Nathorst (CEO) won't let the company slipping out of his hands...

Reid

I just want to say that I don't want to bash Roland, because I love Roland. I've been using their stuff for decades. I don't want to bash. I want them to put their beautiful instruments and tools into the hands of musicians, like Korg is.

Maybe if nobody signs up for Roland Cloud, some day they will come round and sell their new Jupiter-8, Juno-106, SH-101, System 100, Promars, SH-2, as VSTs for a fair price as VSTs and AUs. And maybe put some of them up on the app store.

https://www.rolandcloud.com/catalog/legendary

It would be super nice.

Telefunky

some good synths, but the R880 reverb would really be something to have

Calverhall

Its a shame that its about Roland bashing but its karma, Roland shouldnt have been so patronising and (arguably) moralising to their own customer base for decades.

Roland has the historic legacy which they pretended they werent apart of whereas Korg have consistently adapted to their customers needs without the need to sing from the rooftops about how they have a legacy in popular culture.

I want Roland to treat electronic musicians with respect and slowly I think they are realising how important they are for their custom. Maybe too late, who knows but Roland gear is still great fun. AIRA stuff is a little cheesy but still a great eco system for making music. Will Roland innovate again or continue cynically making up for the lost time from when they treated electronic music with contempt? I don't know, i just hope they have their own Rebirth coming or their version of Moog 15 or, fingers crossed, try and do something risky and new.

[Deleted User]

Innovation from Roland
https://www.rolanddg.com/-/media/corporate/marketing/news/img/2011/111005/111005_roland_introduces_imodela_im_01_affordable_3d_hobby_mill_01.jpg?h=736&la=en&w=1308&hash=93F2F3C9FE80FB863FF5D1E781849C7385171CE0

[Deleted User]

@5pinlink said:
To be fair, that is pretty slick, i would love one of those hahahaha

Well they are overpriced but hell yeah, it's Roland... you can route a 606 or 909 plastic with it shit to justify the investment...

AndyPlankton

@Dubbylabby said:

@5pinlink said:
To be fair, that is pretty slick, i would love one of those hahahaha

Well they are overpriced but hell yeah, it's Roland... you can route a 606 or 909 plastic with it shit to justify the investment...

If you asked it to 'print' a TB303 would it give an error - Sorry you do not have the IP to be able to print this item

brambos

I still believe in Roland. If anything, these guys are sitting on a wealth of knowledge about digital synthesis and effect modelling technology. Today they're using it for their Boutiques and Airas and JD synths, but once they find their own Tatsuya-San (i.e. creative mastermind) they already have the know-how to push far ahead of the rest.

Korg are really in touch with the synth world right now, but I have doubts how much longer they can pursue the 'affordable analog' wave. There's only so much you can do with analog synthesis (e.g. I doubt we'll see many more Volcas, and the M[xxx]logues maybe have another generation in them but not much more).

Only time will tell.

[Deleted User]

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LucidMusicInc

Dear ROLAND:

Please begin rolling out the MC Grooveboxes, the MC 505,808, 909 etc as touchscreen apps. It's the perfect medium and the target market is willing, begging, to pay any price. I have always wanted one of these.

jbuonacc

@Reid said:
Maybe if nobody signs up for Roland Cloud, some day they will come round and sell their new Jupiter-8, Juno-106, SH-101, System 100, Promars, SH-2, as VSTs for a fair price as VSTs and AUs. And maybe put some of them up on the app store.

https://www.rolandcloud.com/catalog/legendary

It would be super nice.

the SH-101, System 100, Promars, and SH-2 have been available for sale individually since they were released:

https://contentstore.roland.com/aira/

whether or not they're available "for a fair price" is up for debate.

only the Jupiter-8 and Juno-106 are exclusive to Roland Cloud at the moment.

jbuonacc

@Reid said:
Note that you don't see Korg synths included in collections of classic synths put out by UVI, Arturia, or soon, IK Multimedia. Always Roland, Moog, Oberheim, Sequential Instruments, Fairlight, etc, but not Korg.

https://www.uvi.net/en/vintage-corner/uvs-3200.html

also, their 'Synth Anthology 2' collection features a fair amount of Korg synths:

"Korg DS8 • Korg DSS1 • Korg DW8000 • Korg Minilogue • Korg MS20 • Korg M1 • Korg PS-3200 • Korg Triton • Korg Wavestation"

...as well as many Korg drum machines represented in 'BeatBox Anthology 2'.

beyond that:

• Korg doing their own emulations of their most popular synths in the early days of VST probably took away some of the "necessity" for others to emulate them.

• for the most part, Korg synths just aren't nearly as historically popular or well known as a lot of the other synths which other companies have done emulations of. their drum machines aren't very popular either.

They now seem to be moving from a financial strategy of giving away all their work to a new strategy of making sure that nobody will buy it from them. They missed the boat years ago on selling their classic synths. Now everybody in the world who wants them already has decent versions, particularly if they bought from Arturia.

their recent emulations are top-notch, GUI and CPU complaints aside. pricey, but i don't see many (any?) users that are unhappy with the sound of them.

And now they are offering $360 a year forever to get your hands on official decades-old Roland synths? It's not that huge a market. It's 2017 and most people want Omnisphere and Zebra and Sylenth and Massive. No thank you. That price makes Gadget for the Mac and Korg Legacy look like the good deals that they are.

huh?

Reid

I stand corrected.

nrgb

Boutique SE-02

https://www.roland.com/global/products/se-02/

nrgb

FA Series

https://www.roland.com/us/products/fa_series/

nrgb

RUST( i )K

@5pinlink said:
Not sure it is a Roland bashing thread, I'm old and fully admit i am a Roland Fanboy of the first order, but their irrelevence right now in the market is not bashing but stating facts (note i am talking synths and samplers here, Boss are still very much the boss and Roland V kits are off the chain)
I come from the halcyon days of 303/808/909/Juno 2 that changed the entire world of music, and we were a bit spoilt by the proceeding years of wave after wave of market dominating product from the almighty JVs through to the Digital MCs and SPs, to where we are now, and it is terrible to see Roland in this state, so not bashing.

@brambos the problem there is the fact that the Juno/Jupiter was not that unique a design and they haven't even gone after the Juno/Jupiter emulations, just the 303/808/909 of Rebirth.
I am not entirely convinced yet that Roland are doing this as any sort of planned move, remember when they had the cease and desist order on the very first 106 VST emulation, everybody expected it to be a never ending tyrade of cases and software releases from Roland, and all that happened was the cease and desisted a few developers over copying "looks" in their UIs

Funny thing is, if I didn't use ReBirth for years on PC, I never would have bought my 303.

So, they just are a little myopic.

The customer is odd these days, balancing the nuance of IOS music apps with the love of analog.

They just seem uncompromising in the prior.

To their loss probably.

Not a bash at all though.

If it arouses emotion, it shows market viability.

[Deleted User]

@nrgb said:
Boutique SE-02

https://www.roland.com/global/products/se-02/

Roland Minimoog by SE.

Well almost the boutique series grow.

[Deleted User]

@nrgb said:
FA Series

https://www.roland.com/us/products/fa_series/

And this seems an updated sp404 to 555 and some sequencing (bravo) but again come late to the party... I can do more with Launchpad app/launchkeys and some plugs (Korg Module, sensual Sax...) and even sound less cheesy (jesuschrist pewdiepie sample hear).
When BM3 hit the market it will make some hurt to these "workstations" IMHO...

Anyways, it's possible to see a new grovebox but I expect outdated new technology like this keyboard and overpriced as usual. Yes I rant since I was very fan and I'm very dissapointed how Roland manage their bugs. They should buy Retronyms to compite side to side with Nurkai into a "bug-free" race

Edit: let's see this where it bring us...

CRAKROX

Don't Roland understand that if they updated their SP404SX adding a similar screen and some of the functions then they'd have a killer entry level sampler for the SP crowd ? (Of which I was one until recently.)
I gave up waiting though and sold mine trading up to a Toraiz.

[Deleted User]

@CRAKROX said:
Don't Roland understand that if they updated their SP404SX adding a similar screen and some of the functions then they'd have a killer entry level sampler for the SP crowd ? (Of which I was one until recently.)
I gave up waiting though and sold mine trading up to a Toraiz.

This seems more a 555 mixed with MV sequencer but yes, ToRaiz is what Roland should have released when the rumour was on fire.

stemshade

i like the se-02 but at $500....

stemshade

Haha. Saw this on gearslutz:

Roland stops props from selling Rebirth due to copyright claims then redefines the future by cloning a Moog...LOL..!!

But the more i read and hear the more it's moving up on my list.

u0421793

Will Roland do an EMS VCS3?

Jocphone

@u0421793 said:
Will Roland do an EMS VCS3?

Aah, that would be irresistible. Unless they cocked the implementation up..

MikeyP

Curse this thread for making me start dreaming of "iD-50"!