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I can't help but agree on some level. I enjoy playing guitar, but really couldn't give a rat's ass about it otherwise, and I have fair amount of guitars and related gear. My next door neighbor is a pretty decent player, but there is nothing that he plays that feels original. Admittedly I don't think that's his aim and therein lies the problem. I sometimes think there should be a one year moratorium on guitar playing, just so people might make something simple and good when they return to it.
That was very cool. Enjoyed that. Love to see someone else use KRFT the way I do. I don't feel so alone in the EDM universe.
Just because the makers are not selling them doesn't mean nobody is playing them. There is a huge secondhand market out there. Most of them live on for many many years. It's not like they can bring out a 'new and improved' electric guitar to keep their sales up.
But who is buying those used guitars? Still not a lot of kids, I bet, not like it used to be. And I don't think the used market for top end stuff is anywhere near as healthy as it used to be.
It'll be back, as soon as new ones start including a piano roll on-board
as already mentioned: quality has increased tremendously over the last years.
Even $100 instruments can be serious stuff today. No need for an expensive brand, except prestige.
Some years ago I bought the cheapest Walden (made in China) - and was almost shocked by it's quality. Ok, this one was a lucky accident that the right parts ended together on the production line. The supposed 'Western' has some jazz in it's tone and serves equally well as an archtop fake with magnetic PU. But even the average quality (I compared several) was perfectly sufficient for any beginner.
Simple rule: they can do these prices only in quantities, so there must be demand.
On the other hand (iirc) the single musical app in Apples Top200 (German store) by revenue is HDS (Accordion sounds) at number 102.
In quantity sales there's Moogs Model-15 leads at number 144.
Looks like we fill just a tiny niche
Imho the kind of impression one can squeeze from any virtual instrument is lightyears below what physical instruments offer, be it a guitar, reed or bass.
There are no controllers that match the sensitivity of muscles and nerves in direct touch.
You don't need to be a sophisticated player, to get that experience.
I have a lot of electronic gear and a 4-figure amount in IOS musical apps alone - but still prefer guitar and bass for personal expression, and started playing sax in my schooldays (gave up rather quickly, tho)
But it was enough to know that all brass fakes are just that: fakes.
You can't develope your own tone even on the best virtual implementations, you're limited to fire off some moments of some players who recorded the sample with very limited modulation options.
A reed is incredibly complex in it's response to mouth resonance/pressure, it changes it's spectral content in a way for which no model exists yet.
Which also applies to a simple guitar spruce top.
It's easy to model some resonance, but not the detailed response of the physical wood - each top is different, it's a common experience, that identical models in a shop sound at least slightly different.
For electric guitars and basses it's similiar, but (admittedly) to a much smaller degree, as a lot of the tone comes from external gear.
Imo it's pointless to focus on a competition scenario - electronic instruments have their part and physical ones another in the same ballpark.
Wot? No, they're bloody everywhere!
I've had the same two guitars (Epiphone Les Paul and Fender Mexican Strat) for over twenty five years. They're solid guitars that have held up extremely well.
Maybe that's part of the problem, is that I haven't needed to buy any new guitars?
hell no
I mean, there is such a thing as playing a synth. When you're talking about the soul of a player, you're talking about musicality, finesse and technique; you can't compare it to programming/ sequencing, but there are certainly no shortage of expressive controllers and instruments, besides the guitar, that allow the "soul" of a player to show through.
Doesn't mean I agree that the guitar is dead, though.
And besides, if you're talking about pop and mainstream, who really cares if guitar falls off? Typically, the most exciting guitar work has always transcended the mainstream. Robert Fripp, Belew, Todd Rundgren, not to mention guys like John Hurt and Sol Hoopii, and more esoteric stuff. Just because it doesn't have a place in current disposable trends, doesn't mean it won't always be crucial in the underground.
If the market is so saturated, then why aren't prices dropping? I think they are right about there being so many guitars and unless they are trashed, then they are likely still good. How many million guitars are out there?
I'm a perpetual beginner that would love to replace my "metal" oriented Ibanez RG570 that I got in my late teens with something a bit more my current style... and yet, when I look at new/used Gibson and Fenders, the kinds of guitars that I think would suit me are $800+. You would think with a saturated market that the prices on barely used instruments would be like computers or cars, where they depreciate after being taken home for a year or two. But no, they still want 80%+ of new, which seems insane when I can get a brand new, 100% identical guitar at guitar center 5 miles from my house with a proper setup for $100 more.
I think you might've misunderstood my post. I wrote "synthetic skill" not synths. Didn't want to call out any specific software, but there are many that take out a lot of the requirement of "talent" and make it very easy for anyone to create passable music. That no software algorithm is ever going to replace the "expression" of a talented musician, no matter what the instrument, including the "iPad instrument".
But the question comes down to, are there people willing to take the time and be dedicated enough to learn to play, when their peer group could care less, and they have no heroes? When I started to play, I achieved an instant level of coolness as a teenager. And the music biz is driven like any business at reducing cost. There may be a trend back to playing more, and it may be entirely different instruments. With the evolution of touch and augmented reality, who knows what will come. Maybe it's just time for a change.
Good points.
... and some well observed.
There certainly is a trend of instant success, few efforts. Not only in music, but general.
People start to loose the ability to even listen, no wonder if everything is auto-adjusted, tuned, ideas delivered by random features.
Just watched a Seaboard Roli intro clip - some call these things expressive, imho it's got a convenience appeal, but that's about it. No essential new perspective.
On a simple guitar you have immediate access to a dozen different ways to treat each single tone - no programming required. Btw I'm a very, very humble player...
First off, I think the article title is an over dramatisized piece of click-bait, where based on the content a truer title would be "established guitar manufacturers see a drop in sales and observations on why this is".
And the following I'll completely admit being in my 50s, having felt the bite of a desire to play in my teens based on what was out there in the 70s and 60s. And what I take away from the article that focus on guitar based music has indeed become so much diminished since then.
I explored the the Billboard site, and looked at what's been popular in ten year increments. Virtually everything last year were single "artists"; a vocalist/rhyming persona with an un-named (and without doubt skilled and talented) team that create the tracks they perform to, and largely these tracks are based on rhythmic (be it percussive or pitched) phrases. 10 years ago, same thing in a way - the vocalist being a the "name" but some guitar oriented tracks - mostly coming from the "new country" segment. Had to go back almost 30 years to start seeing "guitarists" or band names (that focused on guitar riff based tracks) placing in the top tracks/albums/bands. So without doubt, in terms of teens (who presumably are becoming interested in playing, and the rebellious urge to follow the "new") are not hearing/following guitar based music and more focused on beat based music.
However, in my experience having two children and knowing other teens coming up, there's much less of the "oh that's my parent's music therefore it's crap" attitude then when I was growing up. My kids totally admire Page, Howe, and Belew - and the new music/bands they find as their own are based on the spirit of exploration, innovation and musicianship that drove those (now) gray haired men. And whether it's a 59 gold top, a Rickenbaker 4001, a 4 piece Pearl or a B3, what matters is that friction and interaction, the communication and arguement, the ego and cooperation between the masters of each that creates tracks that matter. Whether is was the Stones, or Yes, or Aerosmith, the guitar based riff was just part of a larger whole.
So again, electric guitar being dead? Click-bait bullshit. Are young people less influenced/drawn to guitar - looks that way but by no means are all of them. For musicians who get that expression and feel is everything, the groundwork has been laid from Django to Duane to Vai, and if that's the voice that chooses you then there are no limits.
Good point, CNC technology has made the low end of the market surprisingly decent. Are the $1000 Fenders better? Yes. But are they 5x better?
Also, when was the last time you threw an old electric guitar in the trash? There are so many used electric guitars out there in the world, and they don't often break. That is a problem other manufacturers run into, through no fault of their own- if the product lasts forever, pretty soon everyone that needs one, has one.
My 17 year old plays my old guitars and amplifiers more than I do. He has very little interest in the sample based iOS music I've been exploring recently even though he always has his iPhone around. Go figure.
yeah, not to mention you can't get the FEEL of playing music from synth that you get from playing an instrument, with all the dues that have to be paid to be able to do it, people don't learn how to play guitar casually or lightly. why would they give it up?
it's better than any drug for what ails you psychologically.
Better NOT be...!
Aren't there clues about this on Sgt. Pepper's?
+1000
Yes, totally dead. Send them all to my house.
A guitar soli?
I refer the thread to the Wagner of rock's musings on Love, Death and an American Guitar.
https://youtu.be/0q8f-XTeZ3I
Yes. Dead sexy!
That's 'cause it's you making the music, his old man.
Puts me in mind of when an e-happy young man once asked me pityingly if I'd ever been to a rave. No, I replied, thinking, but I was seeing the greatest rock acts in history while you were still filing your nappies.
"Wagner of rock" is a nice title for him.