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Soundcloud Cuts 40% of Staff - 173 of 420 Employees

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  • @MonzoPro said:
    It makes me wonder what they've spent their money on. The website is nothing special - I could knock up a custom version of what they're providing in a couple of weeks. The content is all from users. Apart from hosting costs, web maintenance and a bit of user management (which they could pass on to trusted moderators in return for a free pro account) I can't see how they can be 50 million in the red this year. If they chucked a few ads on the site and managed their resources better they could turn things around.

    See above about HR, PMs, Sales, etc. For their scale, I'm sure they have a healthy devops/engineering team but... yeah.

  • @hazardtears said:

    @jwmmakerofmusic said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    Groups were great, I discovered a lot of good music that way.

    Same here. Followed trends that were separate from where commecial trends were heading.

    oh god yes, had forgotten them!

    Yep. Groups going away was a pretty giant dis to indie creators and users.

  • @syrupcore said:

    @MonzoPro said:
    It makes me wonder what they've spent their money on. The website is nothing special - I could knock up a custom version of what they're providing in a couple of weeks. The content is all from users. Apart from hosting costs, web maintenance and a bit of user management (which they could pass on to trusted moderators in return for a free pro account) I can't see how they can be 50 million in the red this year. If they chucked a few ads on the site and managed their resources better they could turn things around.

    See above about HR, PMs, Sales, etc. For their scale, I'm sure they have a healthy devops/engineering team but... yeah.

    What they actually do, and provide, could be done by a core team, with occasional outsourcing. And that way you keep the original guys involved, the ones with the ideas, instead of them being stifled by hordes of unnecessary staff brought in to make the company look bigger and more important.

    A victim of the 'better than Facebook' dream I mentioned earlier. MySpace for the Fake News generation.

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  • @Max23 said:
    SoundCloud still seems to have lots of old disappointed users.
    If I want my stuff to be out there and heard I simply upload it to YouTube, if I want to share stuff with the usual suspects I used to use SoundCloud.
    SoundCloud is crap these days, full of heterosexual spam (lol) and shit. Really looks to me like MySpace before the bubble did burst.

    Exact...but 99% of developers and sound designers and whatever seems to use it for demos. And soundcloud has the worst streaming sound quality here on my end.
    I also think i might look more into you-tube since it´s my mosted used app beside music apps these days.
    It´s even great that i find old stuff i miss which i don´t find in i-tunes or every other music platform on this planet.
    You-tube is the best thing like sliced bread lol.

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  • edited July 2017

    I don't think it's in the bitrate, but the codec itself which somewhat blurs the sound.
    Actually that's a positive feature for a lot of stuff that's too brittle by nature (or spoilt DAW mixes) ;)
    Not shure about persisting of the overshooting problem of very loud tracks they once had.
    But even as a picky listener I found lots of nice sounding examples there.

    Anyway, sound quality isn't related to potential success or fail - the number thing (bigger is better) is way more important in this context. People believe to hear what they read >:)
    But as others already explained, SC simply lost track of their own product.

  • Garageband ios will do a direct upload to youtube, which is an interesting decision. Do any other apps do this?

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  • yes, but how many listeners of a streaming service are interested in such stuff ?
    (for your synth buddies you could enable 'download' which includes the uncompressed .wav or whatever file)

  • @u0421793 said:
    Garageband ios will do a direct upload to youtube, which is an interesting decision. Do any other apps do this?

    Not sure about music apps, but Wizibel does this, and makes you a lovely video to go with your tune.

  • @JRSIV said:

    @robertreynolds said:

    @JRSIV said:

    SoundCloud could've kept doing what made them great, catering to their independent artist/muti-use audio platform, offer a few more additional services and charge a subscription and they would've thrived. Would they be the next Facebook? No. But they certainly wouldn't of reached this stage, killing off half their employees.

    But the executives of SoundCloud got greedy, ignored the landscape that was before them and pissed away a unique and sustainable business. It's classic corporate bullshit.

    CFO: "Well, we made 20 million in profit last year but this year we only made 18 million."

    CEO: "Wha?!! Well get rid of some bodies, restructure, do something!!"

    Like they didn't still make 18 MILLION in PROFIT. People can say that's American Capitalism, thats just the way it is, but it's fucked. And the movie always ends the same way. Save for the one or two at the top who benefited most from the unhinged greed, the rest: employees, share holders, the customer base lose big-time, and those who syphoned off the most from the carcass move on to the next unsustainable venture where quick gains matter and the unemployed, decimated sectors and angry consumer base don't.

    They weren't profitable. This cut will help them live long enough to hopefully become an independent, profitable company.

    I didn't say SoundCloud was profitable now. If they didn't over reach and gave the business model more appropriate to what brought them to the dance that I described they very well could have been.

    The examples speaking of profit were in service to the comments about the current all growth or bust capitalism we're a part of. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

    Sorry, but I'm not following.

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    @Cib said:
    Growing and growing to please your shareholders can end this way.
    It´s sad for the people who loose their job but from a egoist customer side i just must say that soundcloud was so good but they totally destroyed the thing that i hate it and will not miss it.
    It´s still the platform to post demos but there are better ones already which are not (yet) so big, with better streaming quality, better sever, better support etc. etc.
    Otherwise i prefer these days to explore music via other not so famous platforms anyway or well known like you-tube.
    Soundcloud is dead, sorry.

    @Cib said:

    @Max23 said:
    SoundCloud still seems to have lots of old disappointed users.
    If I want my stuff to be out there and heard I simply upload it to YouTube, if I want to share stuff with the usual suspects I used to use SoundCloud.
    SoundCloud is crap these days, full of heterosexual spam (lol) and shit. Really looks to me like MySpace before the bubble did burst.

    Exact...but 99% of developers and sound designers and whatever seems to use it for demos. And soundcloud has the worst streaming sound quality here on my end.
    I also think i might look more into you-tube since it´s my mosted used app beside music apps these days.
    It´s even great that i find old stuff i miss which i don´t find in i-tunes or every other music platform on this planet.
    You-tube is the best thing like sliced bread lol.

    All I will say about YouTube is that it has a proper search functionality. Finding what you want on sound cloud is non-existent. This is why I can get more views on a track on YouTube in a day than a track on sound cloud in a month, generally speaking. The other bit is the upload limitations on soundcloud... not cool so of course people should stop using it.

  • I dunno about you guys, but evertime I upload a track on Soundcloud(whether it's good or bad) I keep getting this come into my message box. I don't know if any of you fellas get this. Maybe it might be the 173 soon to be ex employers of Soundcloud starting up on there own?.......

    Hey,

    Doug Scoggins sent you a message:

    "y0ur s0ng Disco Stewed - Part Two is pretty c0ol! We'd like t0 see you enter this music contest h0sted by 0ur friends to get ratings, it is a great for artists t0 get c0nstructive feedback f0r their work, y0u can check more inf0 at 'w ww . s co f en . c o m/ e n/ contest' ----g-e-t---r-i-d---0-f---s-p-a-c-e-s-----"

    To reply, go directly to the conversation (this feature is currently only supported in desktop browsers).


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    SoundCloud Limited Rheinsberger Str. 76/77 10115 Berlin Germany

  • @studs1966 said:
    I dunno about you guys, but evertime I upload a track on Soundcloud(whether it's good or bad) I keep getting this come into my message box. I don't know if any of you fellas get this. Maybe it might be the 173 soon to be ex employers of Soundcloud starting up on there own?.......


    Hey,

    Doug Scoggins sent you a message:

    "y0ur s0ng Disco Stewed - Part Two is pretty c0ol! We'd like t0 see you enter this music contest h0sted by 0ur friends to get ratings, it is a great for artists t0 get c0nstructive feedback f0r their work, y0u can check more inf0 at 'w ww . s co f en . c o m/ e n/ contest' ----g-e-t---r-i-d---0-f---s-p-a-c-e-s-----"

    To reply, go directly to the conversation (this feature is currently only supported in desktop browsers).


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    SoundCloud Limited Rheinsberger Str. 76/77 10115 Berlin Germany

    Never had one of those, Doug Scoggins obviously hates me.

  • @MonzoPro said:

    @studs1966 said:
    I dunno about you guys, but evertime I upload a track on Soundcloud(whether it's good or bad) I keep getting this come into my message box. I don't know if any of you fellas get this. Maybe it might be the 173 soon to be ex employers of Soundcloud starting up on there own?.......


    Hey,

    Doug Scoggins sent you a message:

    "y0ur s0ng Disco Stewed - Part Two is pretty c0ol! We'd like t0 see you enter this music contest h0sted by 0ur friends to get ratings, it is a great for artists t0 get c0nstructive feedback f0r their work, y0u can check more inf0 at 'w ww . s co f en . c o m/ e n/ contest' ----g-e-t---r-i-d---0-f---s-p-a-c-e-s-----"

    To reply, go directly to the conversation (this feature is currently only supported in desktop browsers).


    © 2007 - 2017 SoundCloud Ltd. All rights reserved
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    SoundCloud Limited Rheinsberger Str. 76/77 10115 Berlin Germany

    Never had one of those, Doug Scoggins obviously hates me.

    Nice one.. :D ......... But......... Every track there is a different name, but the message is still the same.

  • @robertreynolds said:

    @JRSIV said:

    @robertreynolds said:

    @JRSIV said:

    SoundCloud could've kept doing what made them great, catering to their independent artist/muti-use audio platform, offer a few more additional services and charge a subscription and they would've thrived. Would they be the next Facebook? No. But they certainly wouldn't of reached this stage, killing off half their employees.

    But the executives of SoundCloud got greedy, ignored the landscape that was before them and pissed away a unique and sustainable business. It's classic corporate bullshit.

    CFO: "Well, we made 20 million in profit last year but this year we only made 18 million."

    CEO: "Wha?!! Well get rid of some bodies, restructure, do something!!"

    Like they didn't still make 18 MILLION in PROFIT. People can say that's American Capitalism, thats just the way it is, but it's fucked. And the movie always ends the same way. Save for the one or two at the top who benefited most from the unhinged greed, the rest: employees, share holders, the customer base lose big-time, and those who syphoned off the most from the carcass move on to the next unsustainable venture where quick gains matter and the unemployed, decimated sectors and angry consumer base don't.

    They weren't profitable. This cut will help them live long enough to hopefully become an independent, profitable company.

    I didn't say SoundCloud was profitable now. If they didn't over reach and gave the business model more appropriate to what brought them to the dance that I described they very well could have been.

    The examples speaking of profit were in service to the comments about the current all growth or bust capitalism we're a part of. Sorry if I wasn't clearer.

    Sorry, but I'm not following.

    Me neither.

  • What are the alternatives? SC is great for finding ppl to listen to your music at least, and I'm not sure how to do this on YouTube.

  • Never got into it.

  • @8BitSamurai said:
    What are the alternatives? SC is great for finding ppl to listen to your music at least, and I'm not sure how to do this on YouTube.

    Yeah, I could use some guidance here too. Just uploaded my first lyric video to YouTube yesterday, and shared it on FB. I have 25 views so far, probably from FB. How are you guys driving ppl to YouTube? Tags? If so, what type of tags are you finding effective?

  • All the above said... I'm still confused over the future of the music business. The days of the record companies are indeed over... so where does music as a commodity eventually end up? I still cherish my big vinyls with artful sleeves from Hipgnosis, and others, as my most precious treasures.

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    @Shaken&;Stirred said:

    @8BitSamurai said:
    What are the alternatives? SC is great for finding ppl to listen to your music at least, and I'm not sure how to do this on YouTube.

    Yeah, I could use some guidance here too. Just uploaded my first lyric video to YouTube yesterday, and shared it on FB. I have 25 views so far, probably from FB. How are you guys driving ppl to YouTube? Tags? If so, what type of tags are you finding effective?

    https://soundcloud.com/andy-baxter-bass-guitar
    he's specialized in vintage guitar/basses and his online shop has embedded clips of hie SC page.

    https://soundcloud.com/martin-mitchell
    this dude is an old school microphone fanatic running a blog about microphones and recording technics in that context. Great source for learning and fun to read.

    https://soundcloud.com/elvenlied
    she started some years ago with a question about her first recording, an Evanescence cover. Didn't need much hints and just did her thing. Fan base built up quickly and got her some major deals in game/cinematic sounds, even without the cute pic. She was more shy in the beginning.

    But visual is important on SC. Search is rather unfocussed so you'll often face huge lists of results. A pic does attract listeners, not restricted to the 'beautiful people' theme of course.
    (I remember 2.5 k plays one night - and I have only crap online, sound experiments, microphone tests and such, but the profile dog probably hit it) o:)

    On YT you have the advantage of instant Google result links (video), so put some effort in your tags. Some creativity applies.
    I wouldn't mind a big number of 'followers', as most are fake anyway.

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  • @8BitSamurai said:
    What are the alternatives? SC is great for finding ppl to listen to your music at least, and I'm not sure how to do this on YouTube.

    mixcloud, bandcamp.

  • @Zen210507 said:
    Soundcloud is rubbish anyway. Orfium is the future, maybe.

    https://orfium.com/

    i checked this out some months ago, and now again after your post. basically no one is using this, it seems. super slow, too. if you upload a track itll be in the "latest uploads" for days in best case. Orfium's been around for almost a year now and nothing has happened so i guess it's safe to say it's over, no?

  • @hazardtears said:
    Orfium's been around for almost a year now and nothing has happened so i guess it's safe to say it's over, no?

    >

    Not until the fat lady sings. ;)

    Some people are using Orfium. Just not _en-mas_s, but then, familiarity and brand awareness is how the mega corporations dominate, not because they are necessarily any good. Even Giants can fall.

    A year is a very short time when building an on-line business and attempting to prize people away from the familiar. The SoundCloud model is failing, so maybe there is yet time enough fir something better. Be that Orfium, or a company yet to begin their rise.

  • The victims in all this rise and fall stuff are the musicians, who've spent years building profiles and friendships. I had a few thousand followers on MySpace - gone. Now built up a thousand on my main Soundcloud account - soon to be gone it seems. Starting from scratch with YouTube or whatever the latest thing is, is such a depressing prospect I doubt I'll bother, I'll probably just fire off my weirdness into the void.

  • God help any who was surprised, when the first response to the injection of Twitter's funding, was to enlist a multi-starred chef for pampered pets.

    If we had to guess, that chef (or chefs) are very likely still employed, still paid.

    http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/30/this-company-is-searching-for-an-experienced-chef-for-dogs-5975685/

  • All applicants will need to have had prior experience at a Michelin star restaurant, obviously, and they’ll be required to create at least 30 different dishes so that a dish is not repeated within a month – because SoundCloud’s dogs have ‘very high standards.

  • Obviously....Obviously...

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